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Forester · **Joined:** Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:08 pm **Posts:** 779

TheRealQuakerz wrote:

Forester wrote:

Perhaps.

I don't look on the Darlington forum every day and the post I linked to is only four days old.

How up to date is the bit at the top of your forum which says that you have raised £20k so far to save football in Darlington?

I imagine more than that would be needed.

Look you clearly don't know what you are talking about so maybe you shouldn't have an opinion on Darlo really.

1 Four days ago was D-Day, the day we found out whether 1883 had done a deal to save the club or we folded - hence the thread about folding.

2 The totaliser on the forum is just the amount raised by messageboard users, that 20k was just a part of the money raising.

The total a week ago was £335,770 raised to save the club.

Unfortunately due to Raj Singh it was still not possible to pay off creditors and arrange a CVA (long story) which is why that route was shelved, and we took the non CVA route.

But all that is not strictly accurate, is it?

Yes, you had a load of money raised a week ago but all of that money was being arranged to be returned to the investors a few days ago. You now have to hope that all the investors decide to reinvest their money into the purchase of the club. 1883 say that £200k is required by the end of June and that may well be achievable with the money from the Echo, the forum and the Supporters Club' along with other contributors. However, you have to hope that individual investors will be prepared to put their money into a team which may well be playing further down the pyramid than they expected when they made their original financial pledges.

Also, from whatever amount of money is raised, something around £100k will need to be set aside to payed the delayed players wages.

There is also the potential problem of the FA not being too happy with creditors not being paid and any action they may or may not take.

There certainly has to be a question over whether the Conference will allow Darlington back in if they have failed to fulfill the requirements of paying off the football creditors in full (particularly as it will be the same club) which could well impinge on DFC's plan of being back in the Football League within three years.

Don't misunderstand me. I have nothing against Darlington and have visited the NEDA as an opposition fan in each of the last two seasons. A good ground (if rather expensive) and friendly fans. However, you only have to look on this very thread to see the differing opinions from Darlington fans as to the possible future of the Club.

However, I admit that I still clearly don't really know what I am talking about.

TheRealQuakerz · **Joined:** Sun May 06, 2012 5:17 pm **Posts:** 2238

Forester wrote:

But all that is not strictly accurate, is it?

Yes, it all is strictly accurate. Everything I wrote was true concerning the time frame I was highlighting

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Yes, you had a load of money raised a week ago but all of that money was being arranged to be returned to the investors a few days ago.

This was after the time frame I was talking about. I was talking about pre 4pm Thursday 3rd May. The decision to return the money was made after that point.

I used the 335k example of what we raised, because a) it was true, and b) the depth of your knowledge appeared to be that we'd raised 20k and "that wasn't really enough was it?" Now you're telling me you knew about that 335k raised so it's now obvious you picked the 20k to troll me.

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You now have to hope that all the investors decide to reinvest their money into the purchase of the club.

I'd say half, not all.

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1883 say that £200k is required by the end of June and that may well be achievable with the money from the Echo, the forum and the Supporters Club' along with other contributors.

They will be over egging the amount needed to be on the safe side.

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However, you have to hope that individual investors will be prepared to put their money into a team which may well be playing further down the pyramid than they expected when they made their original financial pledges.

Some will no doubt want their money back, but I'm confident that more than half will re-invest. We want our club to survive.

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Also, from whatever amount of money is raised, something around £100k will need to be set aside to payed the delayed players wages.

Invalid point. We need 200k ish, you are taking 100k of that money and posting it as if it's an additional extra problem. It isn't, it's just part of our commitments until June. Part of the c200k needed.

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There is also the potential problem of the FA not being too happy with creditors not being paid and any action they may or may not take.

The creditors will get a share of what is left in DFC2009 (the old company), plus any extra payments on the Dan Burn transfer will be split between the new owners DFC1883 and the old company DFC2009 - that percentage going to the old company will be split between creditors. It won't amount to much but if we'd just let our club die then they would get nothing.

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There certainly has to be a question over whether the Conference will allow Darlington back in if they have failed to fulfill the requirements of paying off the football creditors in full (particularly as it will be the same club) which could well impinge on DFC's plan of being back in the Football League within three years.

First of all, we all know there is zero chance of being back in the FL within 3 years, that was just a sound bite, in fact if we are placed in Evostik 1N it will be impossible.

Secondly DFC have taken on the remainder of the players contracts which is part of the 200k, as you pointed out, so in order to fully pay the football creditors we just need to pay the deferred wages that are owed on top, and we have an agreement in place over 3 years to do so. As everybody knows, the FA insists on full payment of football creditors to exit any administration.

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Don't misunderstand me. I have nothing against Darlington and have visited the NEDA as an opposition fan in each of the last two seasons. A good ground (if rather expensive) and friendly fans. However, you only have to look on this very thread to see the differing opinions from Darlington fans as to the possible future of the Club.

Darlington fans disagree over everything, you'll get used to it.

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However, I admit that I still clearly don't really know what I am talking about.

No, no you don't.

Quakerz · **Joined:** Fri May 04, 2012 9:05 pm **Posts:** 121

Personally I hope the first thing we do is pay the 10k we owe the St Johns Ambulance.
Not our fault as it was the last chairman who effectively veto'd the CVA but still pretty bad to be talking about signings and the future when this debt has not been paid---would be a nice goodwill gesture if 10k of the money raised goes to them.

Nibbler · **Joined:** Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:23 pm **Posts:** 1293

yeah and small businesses where jobs could be lost as a result of ur un paid bills

Hilly_DFC · **Joined:** Thu May 10, 2012 3:46 pm **Posts:** 115

Nibbler wrote:

yeah and small businesses where jobs could be lost as a result of ur un paid bills

My, my... you seem to on a bit of a mission aren't you?

Like I have posted elsewhere, DFC1883 literally tried everything in their power to agree a CVA - unfortunately due to RS and his demands this wasn't possible. But hey, the club was 'debt free' wasn't it Raj?

Thankfully DFC1883 have come out and said that they will do their very best to make sure that the other companies aren't left out of pocket.

DL5 · **Joined:** Fri May 04, 2012 5:08 pm **Posts:** 487

Quakerz wrote:

Personally I hope the first thing we do is pay the 10k we owe the St Johns Ambulance.
Not our fault as it was the last chairman who effectively veto'd the CVA but still pretty bad to be talking about signings and the future when this debt has not been paid---would be a nice goodwill gesture if 10k of the money raised goes to them.

Why are you still here chimp?

DL5 · **Joined:** Fri May 04, 2012 5:08 pm **Posts:** 487

Hilly_DFC wrote:

Nibbler wrote:

yeah and small businesses where jobs could be lost as a result of ur un paid bills

My, my... you seem to on a bit of a mission aren't you?

Like I have posted elsewhere, DFC1883 literally tried everything in their power to agree a CVA - unfortunately due to RS and his demands this wasn't possible. But hey, the club was 'debt free' wasn't it Raj?

Thankfully DFC1883 have come out and said that they will do their very best to make sure that the other companies aren't left out of pocket.

Some might say we've been punished for the sins of our owners, no ground, no team, effectively starting all over again.

EastStander · **Posted:** Mon May 14, 2012 9:55 pm

Don't worry about this shower Darlo, you'll be in and out of here in no time. BTW the guy "Forester" came out with all this crap about Chester too when they followed The Shaymen down here.

2blue · **Posted:** Mon May 14, 2012 9:57 pm

DL5 wrote:

JueChorleyFC wrote:

Only you're first 5 posts.

This has already been said, but because Darlington aren't a new club, they're just simply being relegated, they're being put in the right league.

Ok thanks, makes sense, You're right it's a punishment if you like, probably deserved too, no disrespect to clubs at this level. Anyway we're just going to take all of Spennymoor's players and walk this league :lol:

Spennywoods players!!!!!!..... you got no chance pal.... they like to be home by 'tea time'..... no ambition :mrgreen:

Forester · **Joined:** Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:08 pm **Posts:** 779

EastStander wrote:

Don't worry about this shower Darlo, you'll be in and out of here in no time. BTW the guy "Forester" came out with all this crap about Chester too when they followed The Shaymen down here.

Yeah, but no, but just a minute.

Agreed, I had some issues with the placing of Chester FC (as a new club) in the NPL and I voiced my opinions. My objections were based on the fact that other new Clubs such as FCUM and AFC Wimbledon were made to start right at the bottom of the pyramid. All I want to see is a set of rules which apply equitably to all teams at all levels of football. Unfortunately, the FA don't appear to apply the rules they make even within a year of making the rules as was the case with placing Ilkeston at Step 4 at the start of the season just completed.

As a supporter of Newport County, I fully understand everything that the Chester City/Chester FC supporters and to a lesser extent, the supporters of Darlington have gone/are going through and have nothing but admiration for the supporters of any club that puts so much effort into keeping football alive in their town.

However, Newport AFC, as the "Phoenix" club, were not given the opportunity to start at a level only a couple of divisions below where they were when they were wound up and had to shop around to find a league within the pyramid which were prepared to accept them. This turned out the be the Hellenic League, currently Step 5. We also had to stump up around quarter of a million quid in legal fees in a Restraint of Trade law suit to prevent the FAW forcing us to play in the LoW, a system in which the previous club had never played since they were asked to form a club to play in the Southern League in 1912.

Darlington, however, is a different kettle of fish. As long as they remain as the same club as the one which finished the current season (which presumably (and without any malice on my part) means that without the CVA option, they retain all the debts run up by the previous owners), then they will be subject to the FA rules governing relegation in that situation.

As it happens, I rather like Darlington and I had hoped that they would be able to get themselves out of administration before the end of the current season and avoid relegation, even if had turned out to be at the expense of Newport County's position in the Conference National.

DL5 · **Joined:** Fri May 04, 2012 5:08 pm **Posts:** 487

2blue wrote:

Spennywoods players!!!!!!..... you got no chance pal.... they like to be home by 'tea time'..... no ambition :mrgreen:

I thought everyone was home for tea in this league :lol:

2blue · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 10:23 am

DL5 wrote:

2blue wrote:

Spennywoods players!!!!!!..... you got no chance pal.... they like to be home by 'tea time'..... no ambition :mrgreen:

I thought everyone was home for tea in this league :lol:

You''l be having some very late teas then :mrgreen:

DL5 · **Joined:** Fri May 04, 2012 5:08 pm **Posts:** 487

2blue wrote:

You''l be having some very late teas then :mrgreen:

Yes, we're used to it though, actually we're a different animal now so the players will just be local part timers so maybe not.

Damn, the reality of where we end up will be hard to comprehend, fitting training in around Fred the factory worker's shifts. No disrespect to the teams that do this year in year out but a massive culture shift for us dropping to part time

Daz M · **Joined:** Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1990

DL5 wrote:

2blue wrote:

You''l be having some very late teas then :mrgreen:

Yes, we're used to it though, actually we're a different animal now so the players will just be local part timers so maybe not.

Damn, the reality of where we end up will be hard to comprehend, fitting training in around Fred the factory worker's shifts. No disrespect to the teams that do this year in year out but a massive culture shift for us dropping to part time

Will look forward to seeing you, and the rest of the Darlington fans if you end up in Evo-Stick Division 1 North.

Bambi_ChesterFC · **Joined:** Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:12 pm **Posts:** 1810

DL5 wrote:

Yes, we're used to it though, actually we're a different animal now so the players will just be local part timers so maybe not.

Damn, the reality of where we end up will be hard to comprehend, fitting training in around Fred the factory worker's shifts. No disrespect to the teams that do this year in year out but a massive culture shift for us dropping to part time

You get used to it, very quickly. Actually I think some of us (myself included) have been a bit guilty of forgetting sometimes that these lads do have a day job!!

Having watched many a Chester player masquerade as full time 'professionals' for about 20 years I was quick to appreciate how talented some of the part time lads are in the NPL.

As for the culture shift, well, home games for us these last two years have been pretty much the same. Except now there's more people in the crowd and the football is better. Yes, away days did seem a bit different at first but overall highly enjoyable - as our large away followings suggest. Use of social clubs, friendly locals (such as NLZ's own Daz M :lol:

) and clubs determined to make an occasion of your visit.

Sound like a broken record here but you'll honestly have a great time.

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