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Leonard Roy White was born in Skellow near Doncaster in 1930. The youngest of 4 brothers who all played professional football, including Jack White, who played for Bristol City and Aldershot. Len was a winger who played for Upton Colliery before joining Rotherham United in 1948. His first team debut came in August 1950 v Wrexham, he scored in a 5-0 win. Len played 11 games that season, scoring 5 goals as Rotherham won the Division 3 North title. In the 1951-52 season, Len made 13 appearances, scoring 1 goal. In 1952-53, he played 21 games, scoring 9 goals until transferring to Newcastle United in February 1953. His transfer came just weeks after Rotherham had shocked the football world by winning 3-1 at St James Park in a FA Cup game, Newcastle had won the previous two FA Cups and had a team of top players, such as Jackie Milburn, Scottish stars like Ronnie Simpson, Frank Brennan, Bobby Mitchell; Welsh caps Billy Foulkes and Reg Davies; Irish caps Alf McMichael and ex Leeds player Tom Casey and the Robledo brothers from Chile via Barnsley. Newcastle had originally tried to sign Rotherham's Jack Grainger (a former Frickley player), but even a "name your price" offer to Rotherham didn't tempt them and instead Newcastle signed Len White for £12,500, but Len never even played in the game against Newcastle!

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Len was thrown straight into the first team, making his debut v a struggling Liverpool that included Billy Liddell and Bob Paisley. Liverpool won 2-1. A few days later, Newcastle officially opened their floodlights with a match v Celtic and 43,000 saw George Robledo score both goals in a 2-0 win. The following Saturday, Len played against the mighty Wolves. His only other first team game that season was a 1-5 defeat at Portsmouth, for whom Jimmy Scoular was playing one of his last games before transferring to Newcastle.

In 1953-54, Len scored 3 goals in 13 games. In 1954-55, Len started appearing at centre forward, scoring 16 goals in 37 games, including 4 v Aston Villa, but he still mainly played on the wing. Newcastle reached the FA Cup final, playing Manchester City. The Newcastle team was Simpson, Bobby Cowell, Ron Batty, Scoular, Bob Stoke, Casey, White, Milburn, Vic Keeble, George Hannah and Mitchell. City's team was Bert Trautmann, Jimmy Meadows, Roy Little, Ken Barnes, Dave Ewing, Roy Paul, Billy Spurdle, Joe Hayes, Don Revie, Bobby Johnstone and Paddy Fagan. Newcastle won 3-1 with goals from Milburn, Hannah and Mitchell, City replied through Johnstone.

In 1955-56, Len played 21 games, scoring 7 goals and in the 1956-57 season he scored 13 goals in 33 games. At the end of the 1956-57 season, Jackie Milburn joined Irish club Linfield as player manager after scoring a record 200 goals.

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With Milburn's departure, Len stepped out of his shadow and took over the centre forward role permanently. He was a revelation. In 1957-58, Len scored 25 goals in 32 games including hat tricks v Leicester and Plymouth (cup). He also hit 5 goals, as did former York striker Arthur Bottom, in a 12-1 win over Brazilian side Bela Vista in a friendly. Newcastle started to bring in youngsters to replace their long serving old guard and playing alongside Len was the young George Eastham, who later played for England. In 1958-59, Len scored another 25 goals, in 31 games, including a hat trick v Preston. He was also selected for the Football League to play the Irish League. Len scored a hat trick in a 5-2 win at Anfield. Joining Len in Newcastle's forward line was the long serving Swansea & Wales legend Ivor Allchurch who had declared in a local Swansea paper that it was "now or never" to join a Division 1 club. In 1959-60, Len scored 29 goals in 42 games, including hat tricks in an 8-2 win over Everton and a 7-3 over Manchester United. Again Len was selected for the Football League side, playing in a 1-0 win over the Scottish League at Highbury.

The 1960-61 season started well enough, Len scored a hat trick against Preston in a 3-2 win, then he scored in a 7-2 win over Fulham, then they lost to Colchester in the League Cup. Later Len scored twice in a 5-5 draw with West Ham and 2 more in a 3-4 home defeat to eventual champions Tottenham. Len's season ended in March in the return match at White Hart Lane, Newcastle scoring a surprise 1-0 win, Len suffered an ankle injury. Len had scored 29 goals in 38 games. Newcastle were relegated.

Len still struggled with injury early in the 1961-62 season, but he still scored a hat trick against Bristol Rovers. Len's last game for Newcastle was in February against Leeds United. Newcastle had already signed Scunthorpe striker Barrie Thomas and he played alongside Len as Newcastle won 1-0. Len played 19 games this season, scoring 6 goals. A swap deal was done with Huddersfield Town and Jim Kerray moved to Newcastle and Len returned to Yorkshire. Len made his debut v Walsall and started playing at inside forward. He scored 8 goals in 16 games for Huddersfield, including a goal in a 2-1 win over Leeds, which turned out to be Don Revie's last game as a player. After this game Revie signed Bobby Collins from Everton, Leeds avoided relegation and the rest is history.

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In 1962-63, Len scored 13 goals in 41 games, Derek Stokes was top scorer with 18. Huddersfield finished 6th and they lost 0-5 to Manchester United in the FA Cup, Denis Law scoring a hat trick.

In 1963-64, Len scored 13 goals in 42 games, Stokes again top scorer with 14. Town finished 12th.

In 1964-65, Len played 11 games, scoring 5 goals and in January he transferred to Stockport County, in time to play in a FA Cup tie v Liverpool. Len scored in a 1-1 draw at Anfield, Liverpool won the replay. Len played 22 games scoring 10 goals for County.

In 1965-66, Stockport thrashed Bradford City 7-1, Len scored a hat trick. He ended the season with 15 goals in 36 games. His last game in the Football League was a 1-3 defeat at Bradford Park Avenue, for whom Kevin Hector had scored 44 goals that season. Len transferred to Cheshire County League side Altrincham, later playing in the League of Ireland with Sligo Rovers, he was playing locally in the Huddersfield area by the time he signed for Ossett Town and played for us in the 1971-72 season in the Yorkshire League Division, with Jim Kerray as a team mate and Frank Lloyd as player manager.

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When I was at Ossett Town in the 1990's, a large number of the committee had been players and officials at Ossett Common Rovers in the 1970's. Their outstanding memory of Len White was a Wheatley Cup game between Ossett Town and Common Rovers, no one remembers the score, what they remember was, to use their words "a footballing masterclass" from the 40 year old Len White. He was in the midfield, spraying the passes around and making everything look very easy. Len later returned to the Huddersfield League, playing for David Brown Tractors, Huddersfield YMCA and Elland United. He was still playing at the age of 50. He also coached at Bradford City for a time.

Len died in Huddersfield in 1994, aged 64.

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Len never played for England, despite scoring 153 goals for Newcastle which made him the all time 2nd top scorer in Newcastle's history until Alan Shearer surpassed him in 2003-04 and then surpassed Jackie Milburn in 2005-06 just prior to retiring to the Match of the Day sofa.

Just looking at the 1957 to 1961 era, England had some top players in the team, Tommy Taylor was the centre forward until he died at Munich, then Derek Kevan took over for the 1958 World Cup, then Nat Lofthouse, Bobby Charlton, Joe Baker, Brian Clough, Gerry Hitchens and Bobby Smith all filled the number 9 shirt.

At inside forward, there was Bobby Robson, Johnny Haynes, Peter Broadbent, Jimmy Greaves, Ray Parry, Denis Viollet and on the wings there was Bryan Douglas, Tom Finney, Alan A'Court, Peter Brabrook, Derek Clapton, Warren Bradley, Norman Deeley, John Connelly, Doug Holden and Eddie Holliday.

England didn't play as much then as they do now and there was no substitutes then. They relied a lot more on the England under 23 team and the Football League team to try out players and it is very unfortunate that Len and some other players never got the England cap they deserved.

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Among Len's team mates at Newcastle was the keeper Ronnie Simpson. The son of ex Rangers and Scotland player James Simpson, Ronnie played for Queens Park at the age of 14 in a war league match. He later played for Great Britain in the 1948 Olympic games and joined Newcastle from Third Lanark. After 10 years at St James Park, Ronnie joined Hibernian, later signing for Celtic. He won his first cap for Scotland at the age of 36 in the famous 3-2 win over England in 1967. A few weeks later, in Lisbon, Ronnie kept goal as Celtic beat Inter Milan in the European Cup final. The following season, Ronnie played in the World Club championship v Argentinian side Racing Club, the first leg was in Glasgow, but before the start of the second leg in Buenos Aires, Ronnie was knocked out by a missile from the crowd and he was replaced at short notice by Frank Haffey. Ronnie retired in 1970 at the age of 39 and later managed Hamilton Academical.

Frank Brennan later managed North Shields and Darlington, Bob Stokoe earned immortality on Wearside managing Sunderland to the 1973 FA Cup final, beating Don Revie for the second time at Wembley. Jimmy Scoular managed Bradford Park Avenue, Cardiff City and Newport County, Jackie Milburn replaced Alf Ramsey as Ipswich Town manager, but Ipswich were relegated and Jackie, like another Newcastle player, Ivor Broadis, went into journalism. Vic Keeble joined West Ham and later spent many years at Chelmsford City. George Eastham's transfer to Arsenal in 1960 eventually led to the scrapping of the maximum wage after a court case. George was in the 1966 England World Cup squad and later played for Stoke City.

And finally, the Robledo brothers, George and Ted. They returned to Chile in 1953, to play for Colo Colo. Ted did return to England to play briefly for Notts County, but he disappeared in 1970 while at sea.

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On September 9th, 1961; Huddersfield Town met Newcastle United in a Division 2 fixture at Leeds Road. In the town team was Jim Kerray, in the Newcastle team, Len White. Huddersfield won 2-1, Kerray and Les Massie scored with Len White replying for the visitors. The following February, Huddersfield boss Eddie Boot and Newcastle boss Norman Smith agreed a deal which saw Kerray move to Newcastle and Len White move to Huddersfield. 10 years later, they were both playing for Ossett Town in the Yorkshire League Division 3.

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James Ridley Kerray was born in Stirling in 1935. He was an inside forward, playing junior football for Denny and Dunipace before joining Raith Rovers in 1956. In those days, the Scottish League was made up of two divisions of 18 clubs, playing each other twice. Raith were in Division 1, alongside all the big guns like Celtic, Rangers etc. Jim broke into the first team in 1957-58 and scored 9 goals in 26 games as Raith finished 7th. In 1958-59, Jim scored another 9 goals, in 27 games but this time Raith finished 14th. In 1959-60, he played 23 games scoring 10 goals before transferring to Dunfermline Athletic in February 1960. Not long after signing Kerray, Dunfermline appointed former Celtic coach Jock Stein as their new manager. Jim played 11 games scoring 4 goals as Dunfermline finished 13th (Raith finished 11th).

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In June 1960, Huddersfield Town signed Jim Kerray. Huddersfield had finished the previous season in 6th place in Division 2 under new boss Eddie Boot, who had replaced Bill Shankly the previous December. Huddersfield had also sold Denis Law to Manchester City in March 1960, but it was another striker from Aberdeen, Les Massie, who finished top scorer with 20 goals. Also worthy of note was that Huddersfield had won in the FA Cup at West Ham United 5-1. The first division side was at full strength, with the likes of John Bond, Noel Cantwell and Ken Brown in defence. West Ham were that shaken by the result they replaced their left half John Smith with a youngster called Bobby Moore for their next game.

Jim made his debut on the opening day against Luton Town, his new team mates included former England player Bill McGarry, future England players Ray Wilson and Mike O'Grady; Irish cap Pat Saward, ex Man United keeper Ray Wood, and even a pair of England cricketers, Chris Balderstone and Ken Taylor, as well as those who had come through the ranks, like John Coddington, Ollie Conmy, Derek Stokes etc. Huddersfield did have some good results in the 1960-61 season, winning 4-1 at Leeds and knocking out league champions Wolves from the FA Cup, but mostly it was a disaster and they avoided relegation by 2 points from Portsmouth. Jim didn't score his first goal until January, ending the season with 4 goals in 29 games. Meanwhile back in Scotland, Jock Stein was weaving his magic, taking Dunfermline to the Scottish Cup final, beating Celtic.

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1961-62 was a better season, Jim scored 9 goals in 31 games before his transfer to Newcastle United. He scored on his debut in a 3-2 win over Southampton. He ended the season with 3 goals in 15 games as Newcastle finished 11th.

In 1962-63, Jim started the season with a goal in the 4-4 draw with Cardiff City. He scored 8 goals in 25 games before transferring back to Dunfermline in April 1963. the 1962-63 season had been a memorable one for the "Pars". They had defeated Everton in the Inter Cities Fairs Cup and in the next round met Valencia, the holders of the Fairs Cup. Valencia won 4-0 in Spain and the "Pars" won 6-2 at East End Park. There was no away goals rule in those days, so a play off was needed. The game was played in Lisbon and Valencia won. They went onto win the trophy again beating Dinamo Zagreb. This all happened before Jim's return and he played 12 games scoring 3 goals as the "Pars" finished 8th.

In 1963-64, Dunfermline finished 5th and reached the Scottish Cup semi finals. Jim scored 15 goals in 30 games. Among his team mates were Dunfermline's all time record scorer Charles Dickson and future Birmingham & Scotland keeper, Jim Herriot, whose name was purloined in 1969 by a North Yorkshire vet called Alf Wight who was writing his memoirs. At the end of the season, manager Jock Stein left to take over the Hibernian job and Jim was transferred to St Johnstone, coming the other way (though it's not known if it was part of the same deal) was Alex Ferguson.

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St Johnstone ended the 1964-65 season in 13th, Jim scored 11 goals in 30 games. In 1965-66, Jim scored 7 goals in 17 games before transferring to Stirling Albion, Jim played 10 games for his home town team as they finished 15th, St Johnstone finished 14th. In 1966-67, Jim scored 8 goals in 31 games as Stirling finished 16th, meanwhile back in Lisbon, Jock Stein was achieving immortality by winning the European Cup for Celtic (Bill Shankly called him after the game and said "you're immortal now John"). In 1967-68, Jim scored once in 14 games for Stirling before transferring to Falkirk, where he made 9 appearances without scoring. Falkirk finished 15th and Stirling were relegated. in 1968-69, Falkirk were relegated and Jim made 6 appearances, scoring just once.

He returned to the Huddersfield area and played for Buxton in the Cheshire County League, before linking up with Ossett Town. It's not known if he played for anyone else or indeed if he stayed in Huddersfield or returned to Scotland.

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what happened to them all? Bill Shankly turned Liverpool from a mid table Division 2 side to one of the greatest teams ever seen in Europe. Denis Law later played in Italy before joining Manchester United and became one of their greatest ever players. Eddie Boot was sacked early in the 1964-65 season and reputedly never watched another football match. Bill McGarry took over as Bournemouth manager in 1961 (after it was initially offered to Don Revie, who was then offered the Leeds job). McGarry later managed Ipswich and Wolves with some success. Ray Wilson played in the 1966 World Cup final and later took over his father in law's funeral business in Huddersfield. Mike O'Grady later played for Leeds before linking up with McGarry at Wolves. John Bond later managed Bournemouth, Norwich and Man City, Ken Brown also managed Norwich while Noel Cantwell played for Man United before managing Coventry and Peterborough. Bobby Moore was England's World Cup winning captain. James Herriot spent 6 years at Birmingham and replace Ronnie Simpson in the Scotland team, he later played for Hibernian and Dunfermline. Jock Stein won 9 titles in a row in Scotland, he took over the Leeds job in 1978 but he was injured in a car crash and resigned after a month in charge, returning to Celtic. He later took Scotland to the 1982 World Cup finals. He died after Scotland qualified for the 1986 World Cup finals and he was replaced by his assistant, Aberdeen boss Alex Ferguson, who later took over at Manchester United.

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what I tried to avoid in the Len White part of this thread was to get bogged down in the business of who was Newcastle manager during this era. it's complicated. It also sounds like it made the Ossett Town committee from my era look like a close knit harmonious group of best mates. :mrgreen:

When Len joined Newcastle in February 1953, the manager was one of the directors, Stan Seymour. He was a former Newcastle player in the 1920's and had played for Bradford City before world war 1. He joined Newcastle's board in 1938 and took over management of the team in 1939 until 1947, when Newcastle appointed George Martin (no, not that one). When Martin left for Aston Villa in 1950, Seymour returned to being the manager. In December 1954, Newcastle appointed Scotsman Duggie Livingstone, a former Celtic, Everton, Plymouth, Aberdeen and Tranmere player, who had been on Sheffield United's coaching staff for 13 years before taking over as manager of Dutch side Sparta Rotterdam, the Republic of Ireland team and taking the Belgium team to the 1954 World Cup, where they drew with England 4-4. Duggie introduced continental style training techniques to Newcastle, but the senior pros weren't having it and the board of directors weren't happy about something as well. It all came to a boil before the FA Cup final v Man City, Duggie showed his team sheet to Stan Seymour (by now chairman), Jackie Milburn had been dropped, Seymour blew a gasket, the board of directors overruled Livingstone and ordered him to select Milburn, who promptly opened the scoring in the first minute. Surprisingly, Livingstone stayed in his job for the following season, but team selection had been taken out of his hands and he finally resigned in January 1956 to take over at Fulham. He later managed Chesterfield before retiring from football.

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the board of directors including Stan Seymour resumed control of team selection and in June 1958 they appointed another manager, the former Manchester United winger Charlie Mitten, who had been player manager at Mansfield Town. Charlie too quickly got embroiled in the off the field nonsense and in 1959 seriously considered taking over at Leeds United, but stayed at Newcastle. In 1961, Newcastle were relegated and Mitten left his job early in the 1961-62 season. Mitten later managed the greyhound stadium at White City in Manchester, then managed Altrincham.

Mitten was replaced as manager by the veteran Norman Smith, who had been assistant manager and trainer at Newcastle since 1938. Smith was a local lad, playing for Mickley and Ryton United before joining Huddersfield in 1923, where he was mainly a reserve player during the 3 title wins. He then transferred to Sheffield Wednesday where again he was a reserve during their title wins in 1929 and 1930. He later played for QPR before spending a few years in Switzerland with Kreuzlingen and St Gallen. As well as training Newcastle, he also worked as a trainer for the England and Football League teams. Norman stepped down as manager in 1962 to return to the training staff, retiring in 1963.

former captain Joe Harvey became the new Newcastle manager in 1962. Since leaving Newcastle in 1955, he had managed Barrow and Workington. He was from Doncaster and had played for Edlington Rangers, Bradford Park Avenue, wolves and Bournemouth before Army service brought him to Newcastle in 1945. He remained as Newcastle manager until 1978, then worked as general manager and chief scout until his death in 1989.

Stan Seymour remained on the board of directors until 1976, then he was vice president until his death in 1978. His son, also called Stan then served on the board until John Hall took over in 1991.

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