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 Post subject: THE CITY GENTS
PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:07 pm 
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during Micky Bullocks time as manager, I was aware that we had some ex Football League players in the team, like Ces Podd, Terry Gray etc, I was also aware our secretary Frank Lloyd had been at Bradford City, but listening to the other supporters, especially the older ones, I kept hearing talk of a former bygone era, when Ossett Town had big crowds, won trophies, well known players played for us, even better known players played against us, top teams came to Ossett, so on and so forth.

A firm in Derby called Breedon Books started publishing club histories, starting with their local outfit Derby County, then moved onto Everton, Leeds United etc, by 1988 they had covered quite a few clubs and Bradford City's history was published. It was written by Terry Frost and naturally enough I looked up the details of Ces Podd, Terry Gray, Frank Lloyd etc. It soon became apparent that quite a few Bradford City players had either come out of local football or went back into local football. I made a note of some these names and checked them with the Non League directories, Rothmans Yearbooks, Barry Hugman's Football League players book and soon had a better idea of the careers of those players who had come out of non league football or ended their careers in non league football. When I took over as programme editor at ossett Town a few years later, I put some of this information into the programme, including a pre season friendly with Bradford City, where I made a few brief notes regarding men who had been at both clubs. Below is an expanded and updated version of those notes, concentrating on the era up to 1966.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:16 pm 
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DAVID GRAY

David Downie Gray was born in Clydebank in 1923, his family moved to Bradford when he was young and he played for Queensbury FC until he joined Bradford City in 1948. He started out as an inside forward and in later years also played regularly at right back and right half. He made his debut in September 1948 v Stockport County. He made 5 appearances that first season and then played another 5 in the 1949-50 season, At the end of the 1949-50 season, David played in the West Riding senior Cup final against Leeds United, City winning 3-2. David started to play more regularly in the 1950-51 season (32 games, 9 goals) and in 1951-52 dropped back to right half (35 games, 3 goals). In 1952-53, David was at right back (47 games) and was back at right half for 1953-54 (44 games). He was rewarded with a benefit match in April 1954, when 17,518 turned up to watch Bradford City play an All Stars team, John Charles scoring an hat trick for the All Stars. In 1954-55, he alternated between right back and inside forward, playing 55 games scoring 1 goal. 1955-56 was his last season as a first team player, back in the right half slot, making 49 appearances. He didn't play at all in the 1956-57 season and he left the club. He joined Ossett Town in October 1957.

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FRANK GREENHOFF

Frank was born in Barnsley in 1924. He had been on the books at Manchester City and Barnsley, joining Bradford City in October 1948, making his debut that month against Hartlepools United. A winger, Frank scored 4 goals in 15 games that season. In 1949-50, he played 30 games, scoring once. He also scored in the West Riding Senior Cup final win over Leeds. In 1950-51, he scored 4 goals in 25 games. In 1951-52, he scored 3 goals in 16 games. He left Bradford in 1952 and joined Worksop Town. When he played for Ossett Town I don't know, I think it was during Frank Lloyd's time so would have been after 1959.

I've been told Frank is the father of Jimmy and Brian Greenhoff. Jimmy played for Barnsley Boys before joining Leeds United as an apprentice, later playing for Birmingham, Stoke, Man United, Crewe, Port Vale and ended his career as player manager at Rochdale. Brian started with Man United and won 18 England caps, he later played for Leeds before linking up with Jimmy at Rochdale. Brian died last year at the age of 60.

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I've just read Brian Greenhoff's autobiography, he mentions his father a number of times but never actually says what his name is! evidently his father was a well known amateur player around Barnsley and had trials with Lincoln City, but no mention of Frank Greenhoff or Bradford City. Brian & Jimmy's father died in 1969.

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 Post subject: Re: THE CITY GENTS
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ARNOLD KENDALL

Harold Arnold Kendall was born in Siddall, near Halifax in 1925. He played for Manningham Mills, East Bierley, Bradford Park Avenue (he played alongside Len Shackleton in a war league match v Chesterfield), he scored 69 goals in one season for Salts then joined Ossett Town in 1948. He worked in a garage owned by a Bradford City director and signed for City in February 1949, scoring on his debut v York City. He ended the season with 6 goals in 16 games. In 1949-50, Arnie scored 3 goals in 33 games (he played mainly as a winger in his league career). In 1950-51 he scored once in 13 games, in 1951-52 (26 games, 2 goals) and in 1952-53 (29 games, 1 goal).

Arnie moved to Rochdale in September 1953, making his debut in a 0-2 defeat by Wrexham. That season, he scored 10 goals in 33 games. In the 1954-55 season, he played 49 games, scoring 11 goals. In 1955-56, 30 games and 5 goals. He started the 1956-57 season with Rochdale, playing 4 games before returning to Bradford Park Avenue. Oddly enough his debut again was a 0-2 defeat to Wrexham. He played 32 games for Avenue, scoring 5 goals. He was on the right wing this season, on the left wing was Brian Redfearn, father of current Leeds boss Neil Redfearn. In 1957-58, Arnie played 27 games, scoring 4 goals. In 1958, Divisions 3 North and 3 South were scrapped and replaced by Divisions 3 and 4. Park avenue went into Division 4 and were by now managed by former Huddersfield and England centre half, Alf Young. Arnie played 35 games and scored 4 goals. In 1959, he joined Wigan Rovers in the Cheshire County League, later playing for Wisbech Town (Southern League), Buxton (Cheshire County League), Skelmersdale United (Lancashire Combination), back to Wisbech, then Goole Town (Midland League) and finally Bridlington Town (Yorkshire League).

He was a renowned local snooker player and golfer and his son Paul later joined Bradford City, this is not the same Paul Kendall who played for Halifax and Macclesfield.

Arnold died in Bradford in December 2003.

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RONNIE LIVERSIDGE

born in Huddersfield in 1934, a centre forward playing for Ossett Town in the 1955-56 season, he joined Bradford City in May 1956, becoming a full time pro in October 1956, his debut was a month later against Rochdale. In December 1956, Bradford City played and won 5 games, Ronnie scoring 6 goals, he ended the season with 15 goals in 22 games. In 1957-58, Ronnie scored 12 goals in 27 games and played in the west Riding Senior Cup final, losing 0-4 to Leeds. Ronnie started the 1958-59 season, playing the first two games, but never played again after that and in 1959, joined Buxton in the Cheshire County League. I've not traced his career after that, but there is a suggestion that at some point in his career he played for Bradley Rangers. He died in 1997.

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FRANK LLOYD

born in Mapplewell near Barnsley in 1928, was on the books of Leeds United and Barnsley, as well as serving in Egypt with the RAF, joining Bradford City in July 1951. He was signed by David Steele, but it was a director, Albert Harris, who gave Frank his first team debut in April 1952 v Grimsby Town. He played 5 more games that season.

In the summer of 1952, Bradford City appointed Ivor Powell as player manager. This was bad news for Frank because Ivor was also a left half. Frank did play a couple of games in place of Powell, then switched to right half to cover for David Gray, Frank then had a lengthy run at left half, he clearly must have been doing well, because Ivor Powell played himself at right half until around February, when he replaced Frank as left half. In all, Frank played 19 games, including FA cup games against Rhyl and Ipswich Town.

In 1953-54, Frank's one and only game in the first team, was appropriately enough, on January 9th away at Barnsley. He replace David Gray at right half and Barnsley won 4-2. Frank left Bradford in 1954 and later played for Bentley Colliery before arriving at Ossett Town in 1959.

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ARTHUR THORPE

Arthur William Thorpe was born in Lucknow, India in July 1939. when the family returned to the UK is not known, but was he was playing for Ossett Albion until he first joined Bradford City in 1957, returning to Albion in 1959 without making a first team appearance. Somewhere along the line he joined Ossett Town and in October 1960, Arthur signed for Division 2 side, Scunthorpe United.

His debut came in March 1961, against Stoke City. Arthur was a winger and he made 6 appearances that season, his only goal was in a 2-2 draw at Elland Road. Leeds had just appointed Don Revie as manager and Billy Bremner and Jack Charlton were both in the team. Scunthorpe finished the season in 9th and had the likes of Jack Brownsword, a former Frickley man who made a record 663 appearances for Scunthorpe; Archie Gibson, a former Leeds player; Welsh cap Brian Godfrey; a youngster from Goole Town called John Kaye, who later played for many years at West Brom; and the prolific Barrie Thomas, who had been called up to train with England.

Arthur started the 1961-62 season, he scored in a 6-1 win over Charlton, scored again in a 5-2 win over Rotherham and scored in a 5-1 win over Plymouth (Barrie Thomas scored the other 4). Arthur must have been injured because he rarely played after September, ending the season with 3 goals in 13 games. This was Scunthorpe's best ever season, finishing 4th. Barrie Thomas was transferred to Newcastle in exchange for John McGuigan after scoring 31 goals in 24 games, including another 4 goal haul on Boxing Day at Elland Road, Scunthorpe beating a relegation threatened Leeds side 4-1.

In 1962-63, Scunthorpe finished 9th and Arthur played 9 games, his only goal came in a 3-4 defeat to Middlesbrough.

In July 1963, Arthur joined Bradford City again. City had the young Roy Ellam in the team, while Stan Harland a future Birmingham captain and Stan Storton (of Telford United fame) were also at Valley Parade, as was Brian Redfearn. Arthur scored 6 goals in 31 games and also played in the West Riding senior Cup final, losing to Leeds 1-4. City missed out on promotion by 2 points.

1964-65 was a big contrast. It started well enough, beating Charlton Athletic in the League Cup, but then lost 1-7 to Aston Villa in the next round. City also lost to Midland League Scarborough in the FA Cup. City finished only 2 points above the re-election zone. Arthur played 31 games, scoring 6 goals, he again played in the West Riding Senior Cup final, this time losing to Huddersfield. Also playing this season, though he only made one first team appearance, was Mick Pamment, who played against Torquay. He later scored over 300 goals for Emley.

In 1965-66, Arthur scored 3 goals in 25 games. City lost consecutive games 1-7 to Crewe and Stockport, though they did beat Brighton 4-0. Roy Ellam transferred to Huddersfield and former England International Willie Watson was appointed manager in April. City had to seek re-election at the Football League's AGM and this led to the appointment of Stafford Hegginbotham as the new chairman. Arthur left Bradford City to join Boston United in 1966.

Or did he? I checked Ken Fox's website which lists all Boston's players down the years and there is no Arthur Thorpe on his list. It's a work in progress, for instance, Ken Fox is evidently unaware that Gary Brook, John Dungworth, Gary Mallender, dean Trott and Alan Wilkinson have all played for Ossett Town; but there's definitely no Arthur Thorpe on his list, yet Terry Frost definitely has Arthur down as joining Boston United. Maybe he did join Boston but never played a match hence why Ken Fox doesn't mention him. who knows?

And the less said about the Impstalk website the better :cry: most of our Wikipedia entry was based on notes I made about 20 years ago and it's bit galling to see my 'literary skills' getting ridiculed. :oops:

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just as an aside, during this period I'm referring to Bradford City's reserve side were members of the Midland League from 1930 to 1958, then members of the North Regional League from 1958 to 1966.

The junior or 'A' teams were members of the West Yorkshire League from 1948 to 1953, and members of the Northern Intermediate League from 1950 to 1952 and 1956 to 1966. They also played in the North Midlands Combination in the 1958-59 season.

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THE MANAGERS

Bradford City's player manager in the 1947-48 season was former Leeds and Norwich defender JACK MILBURN, he had 3 brothers who were all pro's, their cousin was Jackie Milburn the Newcastle legend, and they were uncles of Jack and Bobby Charlton (England World Cup legends) and Gordon Charlton (Ossett Town). Jack Milburn stepped down as manager in July 1948 and became assistant to new boss David Steele for a short time.

DAVID STEELE was a former miner from Lanarkshire who joined Bristol Rovers in the Southern League in 1919 from junior football. Rovers joined the Football League in 1920 and in 1922 was signed by Herbert Chapman for the FA Cup winners Huddersfield Town. They finished 3rd in 1923 and David played for Scotland against England, Wales and Ireland. In 1924 and 1925 Huddersfield were league champions, then Herbert Chapman moved to Arsenal. He was replaced by Cecil Potter, and Huddersfield won a third consecutive title. Potter was replaced by Jack Chaplin and Town finished runners up in 1927 and 1928, also reaching the FA Cup final that year, losing to Blackburn. Steele left Huddersfield in 1929 for Preston and retired a year later. He went into coaching, with Bury, Ashton National, Danish side Bold Klubben, Sheffield United before his first management role at Bradford Park Avenue in 1936. Their best position was 7th in Division 2 in 1938 and during the war, at the age of 48, David had to pick himself for a match v Sheffield Wednesday, he scored. He left Park Avenue in 1943 and returned to Huddersfield as manager. They avoided relegation in 1947, Steele resigned and worked on the family fruit farm until offered the Bradford City job in 1948. He left in February 1952 and later scouted for Huddersfield and ran a pub in Stanningley. He died in 1964.

ALBERT HARRIS was a director of Bradford City. He had helped out with team selection when Steele was ill during the 1949-50 season, and after Steele's departure, he ran the team until the end of the season. He was managing director of a timber merchant's and former amateur footballer and speedway rider. On and off, he was on City's board until the late 60's.

IVOR POWELL former QPR, Aston Villa and Wales International was appointed player manager in May 1952, he had previously been player manager at Port Vale. He had to retire from playing in November 1954 and left the manager's job in February 1955. He later worked as a trainer with Leeds United before joining Carlisle United in 1960 as manager. Won promotion in 1962 but he was sacked after an FA Cup defeat by Gravesend & Northfleet. Later managed Bath City and ran a pub in Manningham. At the age of 90 he was still working as a trainer for Team Bath in the Western League.

PETER JACKSON was a former Luddendenfoot and Hebden Bridge player who joined Stoke City and later managed Wrexham, before joining City. His twin sons David & Peter also played for City. He was sacked after relegation in 1961 and later scouted for Stoke City. Not related to the Peter Jackson who managed Huddersfield and Bradford in recent times.

BOB BROCKLEBANK played for Finchley, Aston Villa and Burnley then managed Chesterfield, Birmingham City and Hull City before joining Bradford, he was sacked during the 1964-65 season.

BILL HARRIS player manager and former Hull City, Middlesbrough and Wales International. Retired as a player after the 1-7 defeat at Crewe. Sacked in March 1966 and later managed Stockton.

WILLIE WATSON appointed April 1966. son of Billy Watson, who played in all 3 Huddersfield title wins; Willie and his brother Albert both joined Huddersfield, Willie later signed for Sunderland, Albert joining Oldham. Willie played for England and was a member of the 1950 World Cup squad, he later managed Halifax Town in two separate spells before joining City. Willie though is probably better known as a cricketer, playing 23 tests for England and scoring thousands of runs for Yorkshire and Leicestershire. He was later and England selector. He left City in 1968 to be replaced by the unfortunate Grenville Hair and Willie emigrated to South Africa. He died in 2004.

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 Post subject: Re: THE CITY GENTS
PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:47 pm 
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pick the bones out of that lot.

usual sources as per usual (see other threads), also consulted other books by Terry Frost about Huddersfield Town and Bradford Park Avenue, books about Rochdale by Steve Phillips and other Park Avenue books by Malcom Hartley and Tim Clapham, also a book about Scunthorpe United by John Staff.

And while stood on the terraces on those years ago, I heard that a former Sunderland captain played for Ossett Town, I have yet to find out if that is true, though I do wonder if someone got mixed up with former Newcastle strikers Len White and Jim Kerray.

Tune in next month for more dull tales from the distant past :mrgreen:

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I forgot to mention that in the 1964-65 season, Bradford City signed Alex Smith from Ossett Albion. In some books, he is referred to as an Ossett Town player but I understand it was his brother Allan who played for us. When Willie Watson stepped down as manager, he was replaced by Grenville Hair, the former Leeds full back. Grenville had left Leeds in 1964 to become Wellington Town manager in the Southern League, he joined Bradford City as a trainer in February 1967 and became manager in January 1968. In March 1968, Grenville and the Huddersfield boss Tom Johnston negotiated a transfer deal involving 4 players; Paul Aimson and Alex Smith were to join Huddersfield, while Denis Atkins and Tony Leighton would join Bradford City. The following day, while supervising a training session, Grenville Hair collapsed and died, he was only 36.

Alex Smith later played for Southend, Colchester and Halifax and apparently later became a referee.

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something else I left out, when Arnold Kendall played for Rochdale, his manager was Harry Catterick, who later managed Everton to the League title in 1970.

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keep up the good work mate.

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cheers, if it helps others to look into their own club's history, then it's been worth the effort.

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During the 1952-53 season, when David Gray, Arnold Kendall and Frank Lloyd were all playing for City; Brian Close, then a young cricketer at Yorkshire, turned out for Bradford City, scoring 5 goals in 9 games. Brian became better known as Yorkshire & England captain, ending his career with Somerset. He played his last game for England at the age of 46. He died today at the age of 84.

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