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 Post subject: Re: FA CUP RESULTS (PART 3)
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:58 pm 
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results checked against "The FA Challenge Cup Complete Results" published by Tony Brown, from Nottingham, who runs SoccerData, which publishes many books about football. The Association of Football Statisticians first published all the FA Cup results in the early 1990's and Team Talk (Non League Directories) also published a book with all the post war results in.

Information about other clubs checked against league tables published by Soccer Books Limited (from Grimsby), also Non League Directories, Rothman's yearbooks and various websites.

These 3 threads were based largely on some information I was going to publish in the Ossett Town programme in the 1990's, but circumstances dictated otherwise and the information remained in my files until recently.

All mistakes are mine, unless i copied someone else's mistakes.

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 Post subject: Re: FA CUP RESULTS (PART 3)
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Brilliant once, again, only just seen this.

Have you got what you were going to put in the programme? If not I will do something based on these threads.

Do you know why we didn't compete in the FA Cup for so long?

Are you sure you don't want to contribute to the programme? you can do it anon.

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 Post subject: Re: FA CUP RESULTS (PART 3)
PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:43 pm 
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do what you want with this, if it helps inspire someone to do further research into our club (or another club) then great.

I haven't really got the time or the inclination to spend my spare time in dusty libraries being scowled at by mentally disturbed librarians, but if someone does have that time and inclination, then the best of luck to them.

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 Post subject: Re: FA CUP RESULTS (PART 3)
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the Brandon game I remember well, it was a sunny day, me and my brother travelled up there in his van, in its own way that was a pity I didn't travel with the team, because they had Federation Brewery on tap at Brandon and that was always a good drink to have a session on, so we had to behave ourselves. Brandon wore red and white stripes, but for some reason, instead of wearing our sky blue kit, we had this old Leeds kit (with Yorkshire Evening Post logo). Matty Smithard, our former Leeds player, probably thought he would never wear the Leeds kit again, he was up and down that touchline skinning the Brandon left back, but our finishing wasn't the best and we only won 3-0. Travelling back down the A1, we got to the West Yorkshire border near Wetherby and there was half a dozen coaches carrying Sunderland fans back from their match at Elland Road, with the West Yorkshire Police escort, all parked up in a lay by. I can only assume they must have been waiting for North Yorkshire Police to arrive and escort them back to County Durham.

The Rossendale game I remember chiefly for that magnificent view from their ground. The other thing I remember is that they served meals in the clubhouse before the game, I had never seen this before, but one of the older Ossett Town supporters told me we used to do the same back in the 1970's, a couple of women would cook meals in a small kitchen that used to be where the committee room is now in the old clubhouse and supporters would sit down and have a meal before the game.

I have mentioned before about our then secretary Trevor Green getting grumpy over the hospitality served at other clubs, Emley was a case in point. Apparently we served up a veritable feast in the committee room, a proper banquet, yet at the replay up at Emley, Trevor (and the others on the committee) were outraged, Emley's committee only served up a plate of biscuits. :lol: Mind you, I was outraged myself when I was charged 20p to enter their clubhouse. :evil:

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 Post subject: Re: FA CUP RESULTS (PART 3)
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I didn't go to the Squires Gate match, I must have been doing overtime, but I went to watch our reserves play at home that day. Some of our supporters who normally went to the away matches were there at the reserve game as well. It turned out that the coach had set off half an hour earlier than planned and they had not been informed of the change of time. While watching the reserves, the first team secretary Steve Andrews (who had not made the journey to Blackpool due to his illness) gave us a running commentary while on his phone to someone at Squires Gate. "1-0 to Ossett" then "2-0 to Ossett" so far so good. In the second half "2-1 to Ossett" then "2-2" then near the end "3-2 to Squires Gate" at which point we were all getting a bit grumpy "wtf is going on there?" then final whistle.

When the bus got back to Ossett, there was some very angry supporters, some of whom were threatening never to go to another away match ever again. It turned out the reason for the early departure was that Brooky wanted the players to have a pre match meal, so he used his contacts in Blackpool to book a hotel for this meal. The club didn't alter the departure time on the notice board in the club house and no one from the committee felt the need to mention it to those supporters in the club the night before. Those supporters who did go were the ones who usually turned up early anyway.

When the bus arrived at this hotel, the players went in and the supporters and committee had a wander around Blackpool for an hour or so, they arrived back at the bus at the appointed time, It was raining heavy and they were anxious to get back on the bus, but there was no driver and all the players standing in the window of the hotel laughing at our supporters and committee getting drenched. It was some time before they were able to get on the bus, apparently.

When they got to the ground, they found that some of the Squires Gate people had a chip on their shoulder about something, making sneering remarks about Yorkshire, Unibond League, and so on. They also thought we had a wage bill of £8 grand a week. Of course, they loved the result and it probably proved what ever point it was they were trying to make.

From a football point of view, the 2001-02 was by and large a successful season (we finished 2nd behind Harrogate Town), but off the field something was very badly wrong and this game was probably an early indicator of that problem.

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 Post subject: Re: FA CUP RESULTS (PART 3)
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Worsbrough Bridge was another game to forget, we deserved to lose, no doubt about that, but what made it "memorable" for me was what went on in the clubhouse afterwards. I was sat near the fire exit, not so far from the Worsbrough players, one of whom, Micky Prica, was ex Ossett Town, he was shouting abuse at someone at the bar but no one was replying so I don't know who he was having a go at. Then their manager, Alan Billingham, who played for us in the early 1980's came running out of the committee room, cheering and holding the picture of our County Cup winning side from 1982 above his head, he went racing out of the clubhouse and we never saw him again. Added to the nonsense was that a fella who had been helping Graham Willis with the commercial side of things handed his notice in "as it were" after getting into a argument with a Worsbrough official and making derogatory remarks about the Worsbrough man's body odour. A bizarre day.

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Steve Richards was our manager for the trip to Billingham Town. I was still finishing my pint as the game started, and in the 30 seconds it took for me to get from the clubhouse to the turnstile, Billingham had opened the scoring. I knew straight away that it was going to be one of those days and I was stood near Bruce (our secretary) when I heard a loud cheer from somewhere nearby. I knew Billingham Synthonia were playing Whitby Town and I guessed the cheer came from there, Bruce confirmed it and said we had passed the Synthonia ground on the way in (clearly I had been looking the other way). I did toy with the idea of walking out and watching that game instead but thought better of it, which was just as well, because after the game, we had all gone into the clubhouse and had just bought pints when Frank Lloyd's daughter came rushing in and told us all to get back on the coach now, Rico had the hump and wanted to go straight home. I'm sure the Billingham supporters must have been impressed by the sight of half a dozen elderly and/or overweight Ossett supporters downing pints in one and running to the exit in one swift seamless motion. :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: FA CUP RESULTS (PART 3)
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The trip to Consett in 2005-06 turned out to be the last time I ever went to an away match. We had a tiresome journey up there, the driver decided to leave the A1 early and take us for a tour of the admittedly lovely County Durham countryside, we passed the grounds of West Auckland Town and Tow Law Town on our way to Consett. For the previous couple of years I had started to suffer from travel sickness so an arduous trek like this was not doing me any good. When we arrived in Consett I decided to have a wander around the town and get a bit of fresh air to settle down a bit, I did this at most away games but when I got back to the Consett ground one of their officials made some snide remarks to me about me going into town and not going straight into their bar like the other Ossett Town supporters. This puzzled me, until dawned on me that he had been tipped off about my pre match routine by Ossett Town officials or supporters. I found out later that they thought I was showing disrespect to the home teams by not going into their bar and instead going into local pubs. I had had enough of it all by this stage and I decided to call it quits as far as away travel was concerned. We won the game comfortably, 5-1, Andy Hayward and James Walshaw were on top form. Travelling back home, we went a quicker route and passed the ground of the old Ferryhill Athletic on the way to the A1.

One consequence of my self imposed ban on going to away matches was that I missed out on a treat in the next round at Matlock Town, we won 6-2, Walshaw scored 3 or 4 goals and then the players apparently celebrated their win by diving into the mud and sliding through it, much to the outrage of the Matlock officials who there and then decided to ban everyone from Ossett from entering their clubhouse after the game, much to the bemusement of those Ossett fans already in the clubhouse, who had to sup up and leave. :lol:

The Leamington game was the only time we ever played in the 4th Qualifying Round. The occasion got to us more than it did to Leamington and they deservedly won. It's been mentioned on here before about what when on before, during and after the game with regard to the Coventry City, Leeds United and Huddersfield Town fans behaving badly and the Police getting involved. A bad day overall and it's consequences reverberated on for a few weeks afterwards, culminating with Steve Richards resigning and being replaced by Steve Kittrick.

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We played Ossett Albion a couple of times in the FA Cup around this time, to be honest I can't remember anything about the games in the 2003-04 season apart from Danny Toronczak scoring a couple of goals. The only thing I can remember about the 2006-07 encounter was that both managers, Eric Gilchrist and Steve Kittrick were interviewed live on Look North on the Friday before the game.

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Spoff asked the question why didn't we play in the cup between 1959 and 1990? I can't give the definitive answer to that, but a number of clubs stopped playing in the cup in the 1950's. For instance, in 1950-51, 615 clubs entered the FA Cup, but by the following season, only 478 clubs entered. by 1964-65 this had dropped to 395. They then remained in the 400's until 1986-87 when 504 clubs entered. In 2011-12 (the last season I have stats for), 762 clubs entered. Because all clubs have to pay an entrance fee to enter the FA Cup, I wonder if that charge was the main factor for Ossett Town and many others not entering?

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 Post subject: Re: FA CUP RESULTS (PART 3)
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Once again, great stuff. thank you.

I'm still trying to work out who you are by the way...

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 Post subject: Re: FA CUP RESULTS (PART 3)
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Spoff wrote:
Once again, great stuff. thank you.

I'm still trying to work out who you are by the way...


you've got better things to think about, I'm just a fading voice from the past. :wink:

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