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 Post subject: Marine Match
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:29 am 
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Hopefully 3 points beckons, but playing a team with confidence who are the league's early pace setters is going to be tough...Home form is going to be key this year for us as with any club, But i agree with Karl Rose. It's our house and we need to make it a fortress. so let's us Blues be the 12th man and turn up the volume.

I believe there is going to be another bucket collection today,along with all home games this season towards the new facilities. Please just give what you can, I know it's two home games in the space of 4 days and times are tough. But every little counts.

Also if you would like to join the supporters club for a fiver, this also goes to the development.... you can see me in the bar.

p.s It's pouring it down with rain in South Elmsall, so expect a skiddy pitch..

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 Post subject: Re: Marine Match
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:13 pm 
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Played 3 loss 3.

Poor season for us so far. The game today was poor from my point of view. The back 3 (why are we playing with 3 at back?) were exposed a lot of times. There was nothing up front and midfield was no good for me also. I'm worried, we're 3 games into the season and I'm worried already. And judging by today's performance we'll also get beat on Monday by Ferriby too.

On another note, why is it that we keep blaming the referee? It's embarrassing that we keep shouting at him all of the time because he gives a foul against us. Us fans need to get our heads out of the sand and say we didn't perform well today. Sick to deaf of hearing about referee's decisions all the time.


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 Post subject: Re: Marine Match
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:24 pm 
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Can't comment on today's performance as not there, but simply looking at first three results (and perf overall vs Matlock that I did see), you've got to question the overall approach in terms of player quality/experience. Biggest mistake so far IMHO is pre season strategy... It's like my lads teaming warming up against teams from age group below, or lower. They're bound to beat them, but come up against teams from your own age/level and the truth comes out. From first three games we must have hoped for 3-4 points at least. A tough season loomed for lots of reasons, giving everyone else three games start isn't going to help.

Onwards and upwards is the only option!!


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 Post subject: Re: Marine Match
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:48 pm 
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Frickley wrote:
Can't comment on today's performance as not there, but simply looking at first three results (and perf overall vs Matlock that I did see), you've got to question the overall approach in terms of player quality/experience. Biggest mistake so far IMHO is pre season strategy... It's like my lads teaming warming up against teams from age group below, or lower. They're bound to beat them, but come up against teams from your own age/level and the truth comes out. From first three games we must have hoped for 3-4 points at least. A tough season loomed for lots of reasons, giving everyone else three games start isn't going to help.

Onwards and upwards is the only option!!


Agree fully with Per-season matches. Over the 6 games the defence were not tested at all. Now we're playing teams at the same level, it's showing our players are not good enough. Hopefully we'll get 3 points on Monday, but some how, I can't see it.


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 Post subject: Re: Marine Match
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:51 pm 
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Best team won, very good turn and shot by the Marine player for the second goal. Probably was a penalty.
Need to find more guile in midfield and more penetration in attack. Can't fault the work rate or determination.
Cotton added a bit of energy and made plenty of forward runs.
Think the Blues are playing three central defenders because it worked in pre-season and the manager maybe
believes it suits the players he's brought in. Not my favourite system but it can work, prefer one of the three
to either come out with the ball into midfield whenever possible or one to drop deep as a sweeper. Or two full backs
and two centre halves.
Think it would have been better if there had been more of a test in pre-season, even if only for one game.
Don't really fancy Frickley to get anything at Ferriby.
Too many players booked again, but a better ref' than the one on Tuesday.


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 Post subject: Re: Marine Match
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:16 pm 
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think its going to be a long hard season for us on this showing,as for playing 3 at the back,if this is how the gaffer wants to play it i have no qualms,at least its different. we were let down in midfield today,slow of pace and mind, allowing an average looking side to take control,they won 2-0 without breaking sweat,they took their chances and we didnt.
think the step up to the premier division is a bit too much for a few of them.glyn cotton showed the bite that we have been missing since his last spell.
2 home games played and 2 lost against teams we should be beating at home if we want to stay up,because neither will be in the top 8.we need to find a winning formula and soon.

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 Post subject: Re: Marine Match
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:56 pm 
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Frickley wrote:
Can't comment on today's performance as not there, but simply looking at first three results (and perf overall vs Matlock that I did see), you've got to question the overall approach in terms of player quality/experience. Biggest mistake so far IMHO is pre season strategy... It's like my lads teaming warming up against teams from age group below, or lower. They're bound to beat them, but come up against teams from your own age/level and the truth comes out. From first three games we must have hoped for 3-4 points at least. A tough season loomed for lots of reasons, giving everyone else three games start isn't going to help.

Onwards and upwards is the only option!!


I would agree with the above, it's what my thoughts were, playing teams at a lower level pre season means nothing. But to be fair to the management team, they didn't come in whilst May, So when most teams had already planned pre-season, we ended up playing whoever.
I don't think Marine were that much better than us, But as a home side i expected us to impose our game more on them, as you should. My opinion for what it's worth, is as it was pre-season. Playing 3 centre backs at this level just does not work for me. You need intelligent footballers who are super fit, especially the wings backs who have a good understanding with each other.
After 6 pre season games and the 3rd league game, to bring 3 players in at short notice and ask them to play in a 3-4-3 system is difficult. It showed today, We looked ragged at the back, Tom Johnson was getting caught for pace on the right of the back 3, where i see him as a No nonsense centre back in a back four , who heads it and clears his lines. also the wing backs didn't know whether to stick or twist, How many times did we see one of the wing backs running at their fullbacks ?. We do miss Gavin Allott big time up front.

Again we seem to putting square pegs in round holes, Cotton is a decent midfielder who was asked to play up front, and Danny South was isolated with nobody playing close enough to him, Although he would probably agree he didn't have the best of matches.

I found some positives in the performances of Jake Picton, who I probably dis-credited for his pace, Indy had a decent knock at the back for hist first game, and Matty Bloor gave a good captains knock winning anything he could, and i like the lad Ghaicham who's busy and always looking to probe, but again he's best playing in the hole behind Allott and South.

Maybe some of the players are just not up to this level ?

I made my feelings known to the manager after the game, and found faith in what he had to say. He's approachable, listened to what i had to say. Whether he agrees or not, does not matter to me. At least i had my say and what he said to me gives me some hope for the future.

I hear what Dove is saying about ref's...but did anyone see a bad tackle today, he issued 9 yellow cards, he's never been a ref, I said that as soon as i saw him walk out, after remembering his performances from last season


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 Post subject: Re: Marine Match
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:38 pm 
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Unfortunately I agree with most of whats been said. Once again the boys gave 100%, with what we lack in skill we have to make up for in effort, every game is a cup final. First half pretty even - tbh I would have settled for a point before the game but can't argue with either of the goals. I think a lot rests on what Allott can do on his return, Danny can't do it alone. Once again we did create a few chances - I seem to remeber thats something we couldn't do last season. I'm not normally one to criticise the referee and he didn't lose us the game today but I do think both referees this season have been poor, 11 bookings today and not one bad tackle in the game, the one today has been up at the lane for at least the last 6 seasons - which says it all really.


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 Post subject: Re: Marine Match
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:24 am 
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I can't agree with the level of pre-season opposition being a factor in us not starting the season very well. Take a look at Stocksbridge, got their first point yesterday and they played friendlies against Barnsley, Owls & Rotherham. NFU 1 point, played Chester, Halifax, Hull & Grimsby. So that argument doesn't stack up for me.

We weren't very good yesterday - end of.

I'm with SMS on a few points:

Tommy Johnston is a big unit, I don't want to see him playing as anything else other than an old fashioned centre half.
Need Gavin back & we need someone to feed off him & Danny
Jimmy looks a good prospect
Matty put a shift in - actually I think everyone put a shift in but it just didn't gel somehow

I'd like to commend the work that has been done on the pitch - maybe we need the old cabbage patch pitch back, it was our 12th man sometimes.

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 Post subject: Re: Marine Match
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:43 am 
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For me you should play to player's strengths...The manager eluded to the fact that Allott being injured along with one or two others missing it affect's the team...so why try and play the same way with different players ? . Play to what the starting eleven is comfortable with. I don't think the majority of players looked comfortable yesterday at all..

If he want's to persist with a 3-4-3 formation, he maybe needs to shift some players out, and bring others in..Some look out of their depth.

Again this in not a criticism of Karl and his management team, I appreciate they didn't come in until May, are on a shoestring budget and I do believe he's brought some good players to the club,at least he's attracting them to the club.Everyone just needs to find their feet a little, be it players and the management team.

It may be worth giving former player Phil Lindley a try out, he was at the match yesterday, is without a club i believe and is vastly experienced at this level of footy.

Let's hope we can turn it around on Monday by at least getting a point on the board.


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