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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 3:58 pm 
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Just take a rough geographical area from the Wash, down to say Dunstable, across to Hereford and then across to Shropshire. Then within that there are enough clubs to make up a Step 3 (that will be bannered Evo-Stik Southern League something) and a Step 4 (bannered Evo-Stik Isthmian League something). The clubs will come from a reduction to 22 clubs for all current Step 3 and 20 for all step 4 divisions, moving of clubs sideways, Step 5 Champions plus however many need to be cherry picked from Step 5 by LC... possibly on ground suitability and application.

As there is no Grade E anymore all established Step 5 clubs in the right geographical area are potential candidates if they are needed.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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Part of the restructuring has just been confirmed, with the Lincs League gaining step 7 status. Which expands the number of step 7 leagues promoting into the NCEL up to 7. So when people complain that the new North Riding league shouldn't promote into the EBAC NL. Then this puts it into some perspective.
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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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That's a hell of a lot, but then I guess they can promote into other step 6 leagues too. I think the new NR league should have step 7 status if possible, there's an enormous area not covered by a step 7, crazy that the 'Wearside' has Cumbrian sides in and until a few years ago also had Kirkbymoorside there- huge distances.

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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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That's a hell of a lot, but then I guess they can promote into other step 6 leagues too. I think the new NR league should have step 7 status if possible, there's an enormous area not covered by a step 7, crazy that the 'Wearside' has Cumbrian sides in and until a few years ago also had Kirkbymoorside there- huge distances.

I think the FA should reorganise step 5 at some stage. There's nothing wrong with the footprint of the EBAC NL. I think there should be as equal opportunity as possible, for teams across the country to progress from step 7 up to step 1. Why does the NWCL1 stretch from Oswestry-Carlisle. Yet the Essex Senior League(step 5) only covers half the county of Essex & a bit of northeast London? So the FA's nonleague focus group recommended a 1-2-4-8-16 pyramid & below this at steps 6/7 organise the leagues better. So teams from say step 7 just play in the local area. The issue is that the FA are constantly trying to restructure within there current structure. They should create a structure that's fair for all, organise who run those leagues & then place teams within those leagues(the trouble is this will never happen, because too many leagues have there own agendas)


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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Has any official announcement/confirmation been given yet as to how many clubs will be promoted from the NL 1st Div next season? Or is it still all guesswork?


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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Mike M wrote:
Has any official announcement/confirmation been given yet as to how many clubs will be promoted from the NL 1st Div next season? Or is it still all guesswork?

Nothing official, but an my source who's involved in it. Says that compulsory promotion for champions is part of it. The initial FA proposal mentioned several options for the extra 12 promotion spots. I think the top 2 will be promoted from each step 5 league & the final 2 promotions will be cherry picked from where the FALC thinks they are required. So I can't see anymore than 3 clubs being promoted from the EBAC NL.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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Windy1970 wrote:
Mike M wrote:
Has any official announcement/confirmation been given yet as to how many clubs will be promoted from the NL 1st Div next season? Or is it still all guesswork?

Nothing official, but an my source who's involved in it. Says that compulsory promotion for champions is part of it. The initial FA proposal mentioned several options for the extra 12 promotion spots. I think the top 2 will be promoted from each step 5 league & the final 2 promotions will be cherry picked from where the FALC thinks they are required. So I can't see anymore than 3 clubs being promoted from the EBAC NL.


Thank you.

It's certainly a start, well done the FA!


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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The FA has now officially suspended the E Grade(requirement for promotion from step 5 to 4)& it's expected that it's going to be scrapped(which I've mentioned before). So teams only need an F Grade to be promoted & have to achieve a D Grade by the 31st March the year following promotion.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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Windy1970 wrote:
The FA has now officially suspended the E Grade(requirement for promotion from step 5 to 4)& it's expected that it's going to be scrapped(which I've mentioned before). So teams only need an F Grade to be promoted & have to achieve a D Grade by the 31st March the year following promotion.


In real terms, what is the difference between D and E?


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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england wrote:
Windy1970 wrote:
The FA has now officially suspended the E Grade(requirement for promotion from step 5 to 4)& it's expected that it's going to be scrapped(which I've mentioned before). So teams only need an F Grade to be promoted & have to achieve a D Grade by the 31st March the year following promotion.


In real terms, what is the difference between D and E?

This is E:
2.1 Spectator Accommodation
Covered accommodation, which should preferably be on 2 sides of the ground, must be of sound construction of timber/steel/brick/concrete or any combination of these materials. Existing timber stands are only acceptable subject to a fire risk assessment conducted by a competent person.
The minimum covered accommodation must be 250, of which at least 150 must be seated. These 150 seats, in not more than 2 stands, may be inclusive of Directors/Committee and press seating. No stand may have less than 50 seats
Whilst individual seats are preferred, existing bench seating may be permitted provided that it is in good repair and that individual spaces (min 500mm) are clearly marked.
The 150 seats must afford a good view of the pitch and be clean, functional and in good condition.
There must be a minimum of 16 seats provided for Directors/Committee and guests with a minimum of 8 seats provided for the visiting club. These seats must be clearly marked “Home” and “Away Directors”.
Additional seating may be provided in other areas of the ground. However, these seats are not to be classed as being “in lieu” of the number shown above.
Standing spectators are not allowed in or near a seated spectator stand where they can obstruct views.
Areas where no spectators are permitted to stand must be clearly marked with yellow hatched markings. Alternatively, appropriate signage may be acceptable.
Hard standing to a minimum width of 0.9 metre, measured from the spectator side of the pitch perimeter barrier, must be provided on all 4 sides of the ground, unless a different configuration exists (see paragraph 1). The surface must be tarmac, concrete, concrete paving or other approved materials which create a bound material.

This is D:
2.1 Spectator Accommodation
Covered accommodation, which should preferably be on 2 sides of the ground, must be of sound construction of timber/steel/brick/concrete or any combination of these materials. Existing timber stands are only acceptable subject to a fire risk assessment conducted by a competent person.
The minimum covered accommodation must be 300, of which at least 150 must be seated. These 150 seats, in not more than 2 stands, may be inclusive of Directors/Committee and press seating. No stand may have less than 50 seats.
Individual tip up seats with backrests are preferred. Whilst individual seats are preferred, existing bench seating may be permitted provided that it is in good repair and that individual spaces (min 500mm) are clearly marked.
All seating must afford a good view of the pitch and be clean, functional and in good condition.
There must be a minimum of 24 seats provided for Directors/Committee and guests with a minimum of 12 seats provided for the visiting club. These seats must be clearly marked “Home” and “Away Directors” and should enjoy a prime position in the main stand.
Additional seating may be provided in other areas of the ground. However, these seats are not to be classed as being “in lieu” of the number shown above.
Standing spectators are not allowed in or near a seated spectator stand where they can obstruct views.
Areas where no spectators are permitted to stand must be clearly marked with yellow hatched markings. Alternatively, appropriate signage may be acceptable.
Hard standing to a minimum width of 0.9 metre, measured from the spectator side of the pitch perimeter barrier, must be provided on all 4 sides of the ground, unless a different configuration exists (see paragraph 1). The surface must be tarmac, concrete, concrete paving or other approved materials which create a bound material.
Plus filling in the perimeter


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:23 am 
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Windy1970 wrote:
england wrote:
Windy1970 wrote:
The FA has now officially suspended the E Grade(requirement for promotion from step 5 to 4)& it's expected that it's going to be scrapped(which I've mentioned before). So teams only need an F Grade to be promoted & have to achieve a D Grade by the 31st March the year following promotion.


In real terms, what is the difference between D and E?

This is E:
2.1 Spectator Accommodation
Covered accommodation, which should preferably be on 2 sides of the ground, must be of sound construction of timber/steel/brick/concrete or any combination of these materials. Existing timber stands are only acceptable subject to a fire risk assessment conducted by a competent person.
The minimum covered accommodation must be 250, of which at least 150 must be seated. These 150 seats, in not more than 2 stands, may be inclusive of Directors/Committee and press seating. No stand may have less than 50 seats
Whilst individual seats are preferred, existing bench seating may be permitted provided that it is in good repair and that individual spaces (min 500mm) are clearly marked.
The 150 seats must afford a good view of the pitch and be clean, functional and in good condition.
There must be a minimum of 16 seats provided for Directors/Committee and guests with a minimum of 8 seats provided for the visiting club. These seats must be clearly marked “Home” and “Away Directors”.
Additional seating may be provided in other areas of the ground. However, these seats are not to be classed as being “in lieu” of the number shown above.
Standing spectators are not allowed in or near a seated spectator stand where they can obstruct views.
Areas where no spectators are permitted to stand must be clearly marked with yellow hatched markings. Alternatively, appropriate signage may be acceptable.
Hard standing to a minimum width of 0.9 metre, measured from the spectator side of the pitch perimeter barrier, must be provided on all 4 sides of the ground, unless a different configuration exists (see paragraph 1). The surface must be tarmac, concrete, concrete paving or other approved materials which create a bound material.

This is D:
2.1 Spectator Accommodation
Covered accommodation, which should preferably be on 2 sides of the ground, must be of sound construction of timber/steel/brick/concrete or any combination of these materials. Existing timber stands are only acceptable subject to a fire risk assessment conducted by a competent person.
The minimum covered accommodation must be 300, of which at least 150 must be seated. These 150 seats, in not more than 2 stands, may be inclusive of Directors/Committee and press seating. No stand may have less than 50 seats.
Individual tip up seats with backrests are preferred. Whilst individual seats are preferred, existing bench seating may be permitted provided that it is in good repair and that individual spaces (min 500mm) are clearly marked.
All seating must afford a good view of the pitch and be clean, functional and in good condition.
There must be a minimum of 24 seats provided for Directors/Committee and guests with a minimum of 12 seats provided for the visiting club. These seats must be clearly marked “Home” and “Away Directors” and should enjoy a prime position in the main stand.
Additional seating may be provided in other areas of the ground. However, these seats are not to be classed as being “in lieu” of the number shown above.
Standing spectators are not allowed in or near a seated spectator stand where they can obstruct views.
Areas where no spectators are permitted to stand must be clearly marked with yellow hatched markings. Alternatively, appropriate signage may be acceptable.
Hard standing to a minimum width of 0.9 metre, measured from the spectator side of the pitch perimeter barrier, must be provided on all 4 sides of the ground, unless a different configuration exists (see paragraph 1). The surface must be tarmac, concrete, concrete paving or other approved materials which create a bound material.
Plus filling in the perimeter


Thanks, not a huge difference


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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Wasn't there a time not long ago where 150 seats were required as a minimum in Div 2

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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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Thanks, not a huge difference


This is Grade F(required at step 5), & will eventually be beefed up to be closer to the suspended Grade E:
Covered accommodation, which should preferably be on 2 sides of the ground, must be of sound construction of timber/steel/brick/concrete or any combination of these materials. Existing timber stands are only acceptable subject to a fire risk assessment conducted by a competent person.
The minimum covered accommodation must be 200, of which at least 100 must be seated. These seats may be located in two stands, each with a minimum capacity of 50. Whilst individual seats are preferred, bench seating may be permitted provided that it is in good repair and that individual spaces (min 500mm) are clearly marked.
These 100 seats must afford a good view of the pitch and be clean, functional and in good condition.
There must be a minimum of 16 seats provided for Directors/Committee and guests. These seats must be clearly marked “Home” and “Away Directors”.
Additional seating may be provided in other areas of the ground. However, these seats are not to be classed as being “in lieu” of the number shown above.
Standing spectators are not allowed in or near a seated spectator stand where they can obstruct views.
Areas where spectators are not permitted to stand must be clearly marked with yellow hatched markings. Alternatively, appropriate signage may be acceptable.
Hard standing to a minimum width of 0.9 metre, measured from the spectator side of the pitch perimeter barrier, must be provided on 3 sides of the ground. Existing athletics stadia may be exempt from this requirement. ). The surface must be tarmac, concrete, concrete paving or other approved materials which create a bound material.
Where a club shares its ground with a cricket club which limits the amount of permanent hard standing which can be installed, a maximum of one side or end of temporary flooring made of a polypropylene material or such like may be acceptable. Precise details of the specification must be supplied to the league and The Football Association before its installation.
Spectators must not be permitted to access any end/side without hard standing.
NB Where the facility is shared with cricket, hard standing on a minimum of two and a half sides may be acceptable.


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One of today's local papers was giving a preseason update of the EBAC Northern League. They had interviews with both the West Auckland & Shildon managers & both managers said that they were pushing for promotion this season.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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Windy1970 wrote:
One of today's local papers was giving a preseason update of the EBAC Northern League. They had interviews with both the West Auckland & Shildon managers & both managers said that they were pushing for promotion this season.


......Yes, they both had their hands tied behind their backs and a loaded gun pushed into their backs!!


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