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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:16 am 
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The biggest issue that's going to arise in the not too distant future is at the lower end below pyramid level.
Saturday football below pyramid level in the north east of England has virtually died or is in it's death throes.
Where are the ambitious clubs beneath Wearside and Northern Alliance League level to feed into the system?
This will eventually impact on Level 7 in a lowering of standards and if clubs at that level fold for whatever reason it will just ensure the league will be weakened both in numbers and the standard.
Meanwhile the Durham and Northumberland FA's stand by Ostrich like and do sod all about it.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:52 am 
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My concern about the restructuring, isn't the fact that the NPL1N will be shunted northwards to cater for the NL teams. It's the concern for those potential promoted NL clubs as they climb the pyramid. Say for instance 5 or 6 NL clubs are promoted in one go at the end of next season. There's a good chance that they're going to dominate the NPL1N and fill the promotion places. Those clubs who have spent years rejecting any chance of promotion for financial reasons, will then be faced with a NPL Prem division that would probably cover the whole of the NL, NWCL & NCEL footprint & be unable to turn down promotion!


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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Doesn't sound like a problem to me, it would be a significantly more regionalised NPL Premier.

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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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goose wrote:
Doesn't sound like a problem to me, it would be a significantly more regionalised NPL Premier.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?ei=bHp_ ... KHvxnEM%3A
One issue that is going to affect the footprints of the various step 3/4 leagues can be seen on my link to the step 5 leagues. With the new regulations 4 teams will be relegated from the NPL div1's. The problem is that only 3 step 5 leagues are in the North. So the southward drift of the NPL will start again. The new unnamed league on the FA's draft proposal(which everyone knows is the Midlands/Central league). Should be covered by the UCL & MFL, but the most Northerly team will get pinched every season to satisfy the NPL1 shortfall. So the Midlands league will drift southwards. The Isthmian league footprint covers East Anglia/South East corner has 5 step 5 leagues(that currently promote into the Isthmian league), then the Isthmian league will start to shrink. Because it'll always be losing a team to the SLP because there's 4 promotions into both those leagues. So unless the FA redresses step 5 & creates a similar scenario to Rugby Union. Whereby the North has 4 step 5's, the Midlands has 2 step 5's, the South East/East Anglia has 4 step 5's & the South West has 4 step 5's. So teams know what route they will take up & down the pyramid & there won't be this continuous drift towards the South East.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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Absolutely true, could be helped by taking step 4 to 8 and adding two new step 5 divisions.

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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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goose wrote:
Absolutely true, could be helped by taking step 4 to 8 and adding two new step 5 divisions.



Starting to sound like the Quick Step dance to me, Step 4 for this and Step 8 for that, keep doing this I'll be Hooked on watching Strictly Come Dancing later this year. :D :D


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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Windy1970 wrote:
My concern about the restructuring, isn't the fact that the NPL1N will be shunted northwards to cater for the NL teams. It's the concern for those potential promoted NL clubs as they climb the pyramid. Say for instance 5 or 6 NL clubs are promoted in one go at the end of next season. There's a good chance that they're going to dominate the NPL1N and fill the promotion places. Those clubs who have spent years rejecting any chance of promotion for financial reasons, will then be faced with a NPL Prem division that would probably cover the whole of the NL, NWCL & NCEL footprint & be unable to turn down promotion!


But there won't be a problem mate,as they still won't be appying anyway.can only see bishop,and bishop only wiling to take the step up


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:39 pm 
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mut2011 wrote:
Windy1970 wrote:
My concern about the restructuring, isn't the fact that the NPL1N will be shunted northwards to cater for the NL teams. It's the concern for those potential promoted NL clubs as they climb the pyramid. Say for instance 5 or 6 NL clubs are promoted in one go at the end of next season. There's a good chance that they're going to dominate the NPL1N and fill the promotion places. Those clubs who have spent years rejecting any chance of promotion for financial reasons, will then be faced with a NPL Prem division that would probably cover the whole of the NL, NWCL & NCEL footprint & be unable to turn down promotion!


But there won't be a problem mate,as they still won't be appying anyway.can only see bishop,and bishop only wiling to take the step up

The FA had a meeting with the NL clubs before the end of last season about the proposed creation of the Midlands/Central league at step 3/4 & how this could benefit the ambitious NL clubs. Morpeth Town's owner was interviewed by the NonleaguePaper about 14 months ago & this is exactly what he said the NL teams wanted(a NPL minus Midlands clubs). He also said that his club and other NL clubs would climb the pyramid if the pyramid was changed. That is going to happen, now let's see if the NL teams engage!


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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We will see...

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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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goose wrote:
We will see...

The FA's new nonleague's top bloke Matt Edkins wouldn't be pushing this through. If he didn't think the NL teams were going to be part of it. He was the one that had the meeting with the NL teams & I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the current top 6 teams in the NL being in the NPL at the start of the 2018/19 season.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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You never hear of them complaining about trips to the midlands,its always midweek trips to Manchester and getting home after midnight.just can't see it happening


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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mut2011 wrote:
You never hear of them complaining about trips to the midlands,its always midweek trips to Manchester and getting home after midnight.just can't see it happening

With this being a draft proposal, I've heard that lots of league have already been in contact with the FA with suggestions. I know one point that was stated at the meeting between the FA(Matt Edkins) & the NL clubs. The NL clubs would prefer an East/West split in the NPL Div1's. I for one wouldn't be surprised if that isn't one of the final tweaks and would stop the Northeast clubs away trips to Manchester. The fact that the FA are reducing step 4 to 20 clubs per division will reduce the need for midweek league games.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:54 am 
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goose wrote:
We will see...

Having reread the new draft proposals, I wonder how you read one point. The extra 12 promotions from step 5 will be done by a selection process determined by the LC at its decretion. Mike Amos mentioned in one of his last blogs that the FA had mentioned forced promotion. Now everyone is assuming that this unnamed league is going to be a Midlands/Central league. Is there a possibility that it's in fact going to be the Super NL that a director at Shildon tweeted about. With the FA promoting on mass up to 13 teams from the NL? 1 automatic and up to 12 determined by themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:01 am 
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Very interesting point, I think they'd struggle to justify it to the rest of the country, but the First Division South of the Evo-Stik is effectively a Midlands division.

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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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Many teams even at the higher level complain in their local press snippets about the distance to play when coming to Blyth- even on a Saturday (some have done overnighters for league games), seemingly oblivious that we have to do those trips on a much more frequent basis.

So if a new division eliminated many of the geographical outliers from the schedules of teams elsewhere in the North / Mids then it might actually get quite wide support. Maybe less so from sides in the South.


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