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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:06 pm 
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To Wack:- And therein lies the problem. They should have had security of tenure, but a combination of misunderstandings ( trying to keep it non slanderous) between BAFC, BTFC, and the League appears to have led the League to be satisfied when perhaps they shouldn’t have been.

Of course when they got promoted to the Northern League BTFC had proper security of tenure.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:28 pm 
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With the new step 4 league being created in two seasons time. Whether the FA creates a northeastern/Yorkshire league or a Midlands league & this pushes the NPL1E northwards. If the FA promoted the top 8 NL1 teams, are there any teams that would definitely not want to be part of the new league & would rather be demoted to the NL2?
This is an example of what the NPL1E might look like. I’m promoting West Auckland this season & leaving the 2 northeastern teams in the NPL1E(i.e. not promoting them this coming season):
1) Brighouse Town
2) Cleethorpes Town
3) Consett
4) Dunston UTS
5) Frickley Athletic
6) Hebburn Town
7) Marske United
8) Morpeth Town
9) Newcastle Benfield
10) North Shields
11) Ossett United
12) Pickering Town
13) Pontefract Colleries
14) Sheffield
15) Shildon
16) Stockton Town
17) Sunderland RCA
18) Stocksbridge Park Steels
19) Tadcaster Albion
20) West Auckland Town
*I have no idea why my 8 with a bracket has produced 8)
The NCEL would’ve promoted 2 clubs by the time this league is created & there will be promotion/relegation between this & the NPL Prem. So Cleethorpes would probably not be in this league, but I’d feel sorry for them if they were!


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Windy, edit your post and tick [ ] Disable Smilies.

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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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goose wrote:
Windy, edit your post and tick [ ] Disable Smilies.

Thanks :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:53 pm 
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The FA has agreed at a meeting with the SWPL(South West Peninsula League). That that league is a special case, clubs can request ‘not to go up’ based on travel & finances. So as far as I can see, only 18 step 6 champions will be promoted. With the 19th SWPL champions unlikely to be in a position to accept promotion. Then either 10 or 12 best runners up on a ppg basis, from those 18 step 6 leagues will be promoted(this depends on whether the League Committee relegates the bottom 2 teams in the 2 leagues running with 19 clubs). The FA standardised rules state that if all the runners up are promoted, then the FA will reprieve the best 2nd bottom step 5 sides on a ppg basis. So we may only be 6 resignations, demotions, folds, failing ground grading. Before we actually see this scenario happening!


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I’m told that the FA’s restructure will include a step 4 league in the northeast(far north). A step 5 in the Midlands & another in the Home Counties. They’re aiming for 24 step 6 leagues, with reduced ground grading requirements at step 6. Plus the FA aren’t going to stick with the need for as many as 20 clubs per league at step 6. The SWPL will be creating another step 6 league for 2019/20. So after this that would be 4 more step 6 leagues created!


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ANOTHER in the Home Counties, how many do they need down there?

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goose wrote:
ANOTHER in the Home Counties, how many do they need down there?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_League_System
If you look at the link & click in the ‘Future’ section. It gives a map of step 5 & I think the FA will create something to the west of London. This’ll mean that the southeast has 6 step 5 leagues, feeding into the 3 Isthmian step 4 leagues. I think all the step 5 leagues footprints will shrink, but mainly outside the southeast.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:09 am 
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Windy1970 wrote:
The FA has agreed at a meeting with the SWPL(South West Peninsula League). That that league is a special case, clubs can request ‘not to go up’ based on travel & finances.

now is not the vary same argument the northern league have been saying for years.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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2009vasewinner wrote:
Windy1970 wrote:
The FA has agreed at a meeting with the SWPL(South West Peninsula League). That that league is a special case, clubs can request ‘not to go up’ based on travel & finances.

now is not the vary same argument the northern league have been saying for years.

The SWPL is a step 6 & 7 League, that stands alone & feeds into the Western League. The Western League covers the Southwest, but mainly around the Bristol area! The SWPL covers Devon & Cornwall & it takes some clubs in that area 3 or 4 hours to drive to the Bristol area on a single carriageway. The Northern League isn’t anywhere near the same situation as the SWPL. If the FA create’s a new step 4 league & imo it’ll now only cover the Northeast, West & North Yorkshire(far northeast). What would the most extreme journey be? Looking at the current clutch of clubs, it looks like Morpeth to Frickley & that’s 130miles & 2hours 22minutes. Travelling down on motorways & that is not anywhere as extreme as say Helston(Cornwall)to say Hallen. That isn’t the worst potential journey for teams joining the Western league from Cornwall. It’s 185miles & take 3hours 15minutes just to play at step 5(the same as the NL1)!


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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The FA's proposal for the SWPL has been released & it mentions their final objective(1-2-4-8-16-16or24 pyramid). This is the most isolated region in the country.
Dear Club Secretary

National League System Step 6 & 7 – South West England

You will be aware that over the last twelve months discussions have been taking place between the Devon County Football Association, Cornwall County Football Association, South West Peninsula League, Devon & Exeter League and the Football Association as to what would be the best structure to support and develop senior football in the South West.

The view of all representatives is that the new structure must provide the opportunity for those clubs who wish to progress in the National League System, whilst at the same time retaining the highest possible level of football for those clubs who through geographical or financial constraint wish to remain within a more localised structure.

The purpose of this letter is to
1. Outline the proposals that have emerged from the stakeholder discussions
2. Seek expressions of interest from clubs who wish to play at Step six or seven of the National League System

National League System
The National League System is a unique pyramid of leagues that links the grassroots game at Step seven to the professional game at Step one. For the pyramid to operate successfully and to provide the fluidity between the various steps there is mandatory promotion and relegation through Steps one to six as defined in the National League System regulations.

As a club in the National League System it is important to note that promotion and relegation is to the Step level and not a league as the placement of clubs is the sole responsibility of the Football Association.

All clubs that compete in the National League System must attain the required ground grading criteria for the Step that they play at, failure to do so will result in relegation.

The Football Association has publically stated its vision that by season 2020/21 the National League System will be a “pure pyramid” from Steps one to six based on one division at Step one, two divisions at Step two, four divisions at Step three, eight divisions at Step four, sixteen divisions at Step five and sixteen or twenty four divisions at Step six.

The South West Proposals
Following a series of stakeholder meetings, including meeting with clubs at designated club meetings or league AGMs, the feedback and views of all parties has been given very careful consideration by all of the stakeholders.

The stakeholders agreed that the objectives of any possible review were:-

1. To retain and develop a high level of senior football in Devon and Cornwall that is financially sustainable, encourages growth and provides opportunity for ambitious clubs.
2. To provide the opportunity for clubs to progress to Step five and for clubs at Step five to return to Step six. Over a period of time with increased promotion and relegation between step six and five it will improve the geographical landscape and movement between Step six and five will become more attainable.
3. Provide a competitive Step six competition for clubs in Cornwall whilst recognising that westerly clubs, particularly in Cornwall” may not go up due to the geography of the region and the associated financial impact may prevent promotion for some to Step five, however with increased movement between Step six and five in Devon over a period of time the number of clubs wishing to be prompted to Step five may well increase.
4. To provide robust and sustainable Step seven competitions that will see promotion and relegation to Step six leagues in the south-west.
5. To retain a structure that will enable clubs to compete in FA Competitions and to access Football Stadia Improvement Grants from the Football Foundation.
6. That any changes to the current structure should not disadvantage any clubs

The Proposals

1. The South West Peninsula League will run two Step six divisions (“the East division will predominately cover Devon and the West division mainly Cornwall”). The Champion Club of both Step six divisions will be promoted to Step five. Any Club failing to accept promotion will be in breach of National League System regulations and any penalty in respect of the clubs position in the NLS will be subject to the jurisdiction of the FA Leagues Committee.
2. The Cornwall Football Association will initially set up and run a Step seven league with a view to it becoming independent with the right structure and coordinators in the future.
3. The Devon Football Association will run two Step seven divisions (one in the south and central, one in the north and east). This is subject to enough clubs expressing interest in playing at step seven.
4. The proposal is that the new structure will be implemented for the start of the 2019/20 season with the promotion structure being applied from 2020/21 season.
5. Clubs who do not meet the required ground grading criteria for either Step six or seven will be required to sign an undertaking that full compliance will be achieved by 31st March in the second season of joining a league. Failure to meet the ground grading requirement will result in relegation.

What do you need to do as a club

As a club irrespective of which league you are currently a member of it is of vital importance that if you wish to be considered for membership of the new Step six or Step seven leagues you submit a written expression of interest along with your current ground grading classification by email to Laurence Jones, Head of National League System, at NLS@thefa.com by 31st December 2018. This is a requirement for all clubs even if you are currently playing in a step six or step seven league.

If you have questions or further enquiries as a result of this letter please can you make contact
Step Six Divisions – Devon and Cornwall – to Mr P Hiscox, Company Secretary, South West Peninsula League 45a Serge Court, The Quay Exeter Devon EX2 4EB
Step Seven Division – Devon FA – to Mr P Morrison Chief Executive Devon County FA Coach Rd Newton Abbot Devon TQ12 1EJ
Step Seven League – Cornwall FA- To Mrs D Aberdeen Chief Executive Cornwall FA Kernow House 15 Callywith Gate Launceston Rd Bodmin Cornwall PL31 2RQ

CLOSING DATE FOR EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST IS 31ST DECEMBER 2018.

Yours sincerely

Laurence C Jones
Head of the National League System
The Football Association


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Thanks Windy. This pretty much confirming what you've said in the past:

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As a club in the National League System it is important to note that promotion and relegation is to the Step level and not a league as the placement of clubs is the sole responsibility of the Football Association.


So in laymans terms, if you're promoted or relegated, the FA will decide which league you'll play in the following season and it won't necessarily be where it would have been in previous years.

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Let’s hope the FA offer some financial help to clubs that do want to progress. There are plenty that do so get the chest opened and help . Take s lot of cash to get up a couple of steps .

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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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Neil M wrote:
Thanks Windy. This pretty much confirming what you've said in the past:

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As a club in the National League System it is important to note that promotion and relegation is to the Step level and not a league as the placement of clubs is the sole responsibility of the Football Association.


So in laymans terms, if you're promoted or relegated, the FA will decide which league you'll play in the following season and it won't necessarily be where it would have been in previous years.

The FA focus group held a meeting on the 13th September. They will divulge the outcome of their proposals, at the step 5/6 league's meeting in Leicester on the 30th September.


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Let’s hope the FA offer some financial help to clubs that do want to progress. There are plenty that do so get the chest opened and help . Take s lot of cash to get up a couple of steps .


Rest assured, Clubs that are in a position to gain promotion do not need a few quid from the FA, as for ground improvements, the FSIF offer attractive grants

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