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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:34 pm 
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It's the 21st century and it's still taking this long. Just get on with it for gods sake. Take relegation on the chin and use the time spent whinging about it to prepare for next season. Isn't difficult.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:29 pm 
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The rule relating to the team finishing bottom and being automatically relegated only applied to Step 4 leagues and above.

The basement club in the 2016/17 Northern League 2 were not relegated by the Football Association.

I have not read anything different relating to automatic relegation for basement clubs in leagues below step 5.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:40 pm 
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stubbs wrote:
The rule relating to the team finishing bottom and being automatically relegated only applied to Step 4 leagues and above.

The basement club in the 2016/17 Northern League 2 were not relegated by the Football Association.

I have not read anything different relating to automatic relegation for basement clubs in leagues below step 5.


FA rules & regs
Step 5 to Step 6 and Step 6 to Step 7
The promotion and relegation of Clubs between Steps 5, 6 and 7 shall be dealt with as follows.
Proposed 2017/18 NLS Regulations
Draft v2 – 5/1/2017
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Movement of Clubs between Steps 5, 6 and 7, where a League operates at each Step, shall be included in their constitutional rules and regulations. Irrespective of any provision contained within the Rules, the Clubs finishing in bottom position in each of the fourteen Step 5 divisions will be relegated to Step 6 and will not be reprieved, as determined by the LC.
Clubs seeking promotion to Step 5 from a League at Step 6 which is not linked to Step 5, must make application using the prescribed form direct to the Association, copied to their existing League, by 31st December in the relevant year. Each application must be accompanied by the agreed application fee, as determined by the LC, which is non refundable.
Clubs seeking promotion to Step 6 from a League at Step 7 which is not linked to Step 6, must make application using the prescribed form direct to the Association, copied to their existing League, by 31st December in the relevant year. In order to be considered for promotion Clubs must finish in 1st position in their Step 7 league. If the Club finishing in 1st position does not wish to be promoted or fails to meet the entry criteria then the club finishing in 2nd position will be eligible for promotion. If the club in 2nd position does not seek promotion or fails to meet the entry criteria then clubs down to 5th position may be considered for promotion provided that they meet the appropriate entry criteria. Clubs finishing below 5th position will not be considered for promotion and only one club will be considered from each League. Each application must be accompanied by the agreed application fee, as determined by the LC, which is non refundable.
All promotions and relegations between Steps 5,6 and 7 must be authorised by the LC. All proposed club movements must be submitted to the LC by no later than 8 May 2018.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:58 pm 
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Therefore no automatic relegation from step 6 for basement clubs, recollect reading another different draft version in 2016 but have not read the updated governing rules at start of last season for which incorporated step 5 leagues.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:41 pm 
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stubbs wrote:
Therefore no automatic relegation from step 6 for basement clubs, recollect reading another different draft version in 2016 but have not read the updated governing rules at start of last season for which incorporated step 5 leagues.


The good news is theirs an updated version for 2018/19. Which you need a PhD in algebraic mathematics to understand.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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Steps 4 & 5

The Clubs in the bottom two places in each of the seven divisions at Step 4 at the end of the Regular Season will be relegated and placed in the most geographically appropriate division at Step 5. These Clubs will be replaced by the fourteen Clubs finishing in first position in each of the fourteen divisions at Step 5 at the end of the Regular Season.

With effect from the commencement of the 2019/20 season, the following will apply:
In addition, a series of Play Off Matches shall be played between the Clubs finishing in second position in each of the Leagues at Step 5 at the end of the Regular Season. The ties shall be decided by the Association pairing Clubs on the most suitable geographical basis. These matches shall be played on a single match basis on the ground of the Club with the best points per match ratio in the Regular Season. The winners of each of these seven matches shall play a final Play Off Match against one of the Clubs finishing third from bottom of each Step 4 division at the end of the Regular Season, such matches to be decided by the Association so that each Step 4 Club plays a Step 5 Club; such matches to be on a single match basis on the home ground of the Step 4 Club on cup tie terms with no percentage being paid to any Competition. The seven winners shall play at Step 4 in the following season.

The Clubs promoted from Step 5 will be allocated to the most geographically appropriate division at Step 4.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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The NLS regulations for 2018/19 have been published and outline how promotion and relegation will apply at the end of next season.

The addition of an extra league at steps 3 and 4 of the non-league pyramid means that there have been certain adjustments made to the National League Systems regulations as to how promotion and relegation matters will apply at the end of the 2018/19 campaign and these are outlined below -

Between Step 2 and Step 3

The Clubs in the bottom three places in each of the two divisions (National League North & South) at Step 2 at the end of the Regular Season will be relegated to a feeder pool and placed in the most geographically appropriate division at Step 3 for the following Playing Season.

They will be replaced by the Clubs finishing in 1st position in each of the four divisions at Step 3 together with a further two Clubs determined by a series of Play Off Matches.

Where a Club finishes in 1st position but does not meet the criteria for participation at the next Step, the Club finishing in 2nd position shall be promoted and the Club finishing in 3rd position (and so on) shall be the Club in the next eligible position to take part in the Play Off Matches.

Where a Club finishes in a Play Off Position but does not meet the Criteria for participation in Play Off Matches the Club finishing in the next eligible position shall take part in the Play Off Matches.

In each division at Step 3, the Play Off Matches shall be played so that the highest placed of the eligible Clubs plays against the lowest placed and the other two Clubs play each other (the “Step 3 Initial Play Off Matches”);.

The winners of each of the Step 3 Initial Play Off Matches will play each other, resulting in one winner in each of the four Step 3 divisions (the “Step 3 Divisional Play Off Winners”).

The Step 3 Divisional Play Off Winners will play a further match against each other. The ties will be decided by the Committee pairing Clubs on the most suitable geographical basis.

The ties will be played on a single match basis with the home Club being the Club with the best points per match ratio in the Regular Season.

If there are only three eligible Clubs then the highest placed shall receive a bye to a second match where it will play the winner of the other Play Off Match and the winner of that match will play in the further Play Off Match described above. Clubs finishing below position 7 will not be considered for Play Off Matches.

The promoted Clubs will be placed in a feeder pool and placed in the most geographically appropriate division at Step 2.

Step 3 and Step 4

The Clubs in the bottom three places in each of the four divisions at Step 3 at the end of the Regular Season will be relegated to a feeder pool and placed in the most geographically appropriate division at Step 4 for the following Playing Season.

They will be replaced by the Club finishing in 1st position in each of the seven divisions at Step 4 together with a further five Clubs to be determined by a series of Play Off Matches.

Where a Club finishes in 1st position but does not meet the Criteria for participation at the next Step, the Club finishing in 2nd position shall be promoted and the Club finishing in 3rd position (and so on) shall be the Club in the next eligible position to take part in the Play Off Matches.

Where a Club finishes in a Play Off Position but does not meet the Criteria for participation in Play Off Matches the Club finishing in the next eligible position shall take part in the Play Off Matches.

In each division at Step 4, The Play Off Matches shall be played so that the highest placed of the eligible Clubs plays against the lowest placed and the other two Clubs play each other (the “Step 4 Initial Play Off Matches”).

The winners of each of the Step 4 Initial Play Off Matches will play each other and the winner of those matches shall result in seven teams eligible for promotion.

The five Clubs to be promoted shall be the five Clubs out of the seven divisional Play Off winners with the best points per match ratio in the Regular Season.

If there are only three eligible Clubs then the highest placed shall receive a bye to a second match where it will play the winner of the other Play Off Match and the winner of that match will be promoted. Clubs finishing below position 7 will not be considered for Play Off Matches.

The promoted Clubs will be placed in a feeder pool and placed in the most geographically appropriate division at Step 3.


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:31 am 
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http://scefl.com/application/files/6315 ... 018-19.pdf


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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Windy1970 wrote:
http://scefl.com/application/files/6315/2788/7513/NLS_Regulations_2018-19.pdf

Just looking at the rules & regs. It’s been asked previously what would happen to clubs that are promoted from step 5 upto step 4. But that club fails to achieve the D ground grading requirements for step 4. The club will be unable to seek promotion, unless they achieve the requirements before the 31st March in the year that club seeks promotion.
So if Morpeth don’t achieve a D Grading by the 31st March 2019, then they’ll be demoted at the end of the season. But they will require the ground grading by the 31st March 2020, if they want to be promoted back up to the new north eastern step 4 league. Which I believe will be the NPL1E(northeast & Yorkshire)& another league will actually cover the Midlands. The difference with all the other clubs that are promoted at the end of season 2019/20. Is that they have to achieve the D grading by the 31st March 2021. Which is the year following promotion!


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:06 pm 
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The step 2 to 3 relegation/promotion is an absolute farce.

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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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goose wrote:
The step 2 to 3 relegation/promotion is an absolute farce.

Warning if you find yourself in a feeder pool you're going to get eaten! Chance to get promoted from 7th place? It's like they are deliberately teasing Bishop Auckland :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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They could solve it all by relegation 4 from each of the step 2s.

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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:17 am 
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the little fella wrote:
goose wrote:
The step 2 to 3 relegation/promotion is an absolute farce.

Warning if you find yourself in a feeder pool you're going to get eaten! Chance to get promoted from 7th place? It's like they are deliberately teasing Bishop Auckland :twisted:


Nope,we will do through proper channels........ It at least claim the cherry picker after a decent season!doubt anyone would want that after last season,while lot needs restructuring


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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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mut2011 wrote:
the little fella wrote:
goose wrote:
The step 2 to 3 relegation/promotion is an absolute farce.

Warning if you find yourself in a feeder pool you're going to get eaten! Chance to get promoted from 7th place? It's like they are deliberately teasing Bishop Auckland :twisted:


Nope,we will do through proper channels........ It at least claim the cherry picker after a decent season!doubt anyone would want that after last season,while lot needs restructuring

Just gagging for the bedevilment of it.

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 Post subject: Re: The FA's proposed new restructuring
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Windy1970 wrote:
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What were the grounds for the appeal?


It’s all to do with the issues surrounding Blyth. I wonder if the NL committee have told them that the groundshare at Ashington is acceptable. I wonder if the committee will investigate whether any rules have been broken?


Although you have been correct with quite a few issues posted regarding restructuring (obviously in the loop somehow), the appeal was not all to do with Blyth. A number of issues were put forward but as a committee the club decided to withdraw.

Sometimes you have to take a step back to continue moving forward. That is what we are doing to save the senior mens teams from disappearing altogether. A joint committee with the junior setup makes the whole club a lot more organised.

As for the league committee, to my knowledge we were not informed of anything regarding other teams. I think most on here will have heard the various rumours at the dinner and AGM but the club are not getting involved with that. That is for the Northern League to sort out itself, not an appeal by an individual club.

Not the first relegation for the club, but we'll have another promotion one day soon hopefully.

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