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 Post subject: Just a nosey Parker
PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:56 am 
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Sorry to be a pain guys but this club intrigues me. How does a club who wins the league one season become canon fodder for the next couple of seasons??? Is it a case of the old chestnut of finances or as often happens the complacency or short sightedness of club officials or maybe both???

There are many clubs who do well enough on limited or no finances but success for these clubs is survival. I hate to see Northern League clubs struggle as many have lots of history and once relegated from the league find it almost impossible to bounce back:

Shotton, Peterlee, Murton, Willington, Easington, Eppleton the list grows.

Whats the story since winning the league boys??????

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 Post subject: Re: Just a nosey Parker
PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:49 pm 
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I think the problem since winning the league have been a number of factors, money, the ground, lack of interest in the community, lack of people wanting to be on commitee, managers not having the contacts to bring in players, players to young for this level. But i think this is all, changing, they seem to be getting a good foundation at the club, but i still think they need a manager, and BJ should stick to coaching the team, and doing what he does best and that is behind the scenes organising things.


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 Post subject: Re: Just a nosey Parker
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:45 am 
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To answer the question fully would take an awful long time but to give an overview is quite easy.

In the Championship season the cracks were beginning to show. The Committee numbers were dwindling and the ages increasing. Believe it or not the Club seriously considered putting the "Resignation Letter" in to the league before the 31st March deadline as it was then. Because of our results the decision was taken to see out the season.

Having won the league it did not seem right that the Champions should not defend the title so the Club played on. But it soon became apparant that hearts and souls of the Management Committee were not totally focussed. At the end of the season the writing was on the wall and the Manager, Ken Lindoe, was informed that the Club could no longer guarantee expenses being paid. Ken left for pastures new and the players were sold on and the income kept the club afloat for the next season with Vince Kirkup in charge.

When Vince left at the end of season 2005 the Committee tried to continue but money was harder to find. Shoulder and Howey put a team together but when the money ran out they left. By then the Club had amalgamated with a Youth Section in Brandon who had teams under 10 years of age. The Club also set up an Under 18 Team in the Russell Foster League.

Bj was then with the club as a coach and took over when Shoulder and Howey left. The Under 18 Team together with other Under 18's from Durham City Youths (no connection to the Northern League Team) got us through the season but the team was relegated to Division 2.

At the end of the season the 3 Club Officials, Chairman, Secretary and Treasurer finally made the difficult decision and left the club. That was probably the time when the Club should have thrown in the towel. But it is hard to let something go so easily when so much had been achieved.

It was at this point that it was decided that a different approach should be taken. The Club could no longer compete on the same terms as others. Something different had to happen.

A plan was put in place to develop Youth Players. Under 18 and Under 21 Teams were set up to start the process of development into senior football. New Coaches joined the Club and the future looked bright. Although in charge of all football BJ took the decision, agreed by the Committee, to concentrate on the Under 18's & 21's with Colin looking after the Seniors on match days. Logically it was the right decision because of the importance of the young players on the future of the club but, with hindsight, it was fraught with dangers which became apparant later in the season.

At this time there was still immense pressure off the pitch in getting help running the Club. The vandals were at work and the clubhouse was sinking fast. The Club could have folded on any day of the week, any week of the year.

But an immense amount of work has gone into the club, both on and off the pitch and there is light at the end of the tunnel.

The Youth Section (Teams aged Under 16) is strong and growing stronger. The Club has an Under 18 Team and a Sunday Senior Team. The Clubhouse is now leased to the Workingman's Club and the Football Club has just achieved Charity Status to help enable the Ground to be leased from the Council which should help get grants to bring the ground up to standard and a bit more.

The Football Club now has no debts and has a regular guaranteed income (how many other clubs can say that) which is not dependant on Sponsors, gate receipts etc. It owns the Clubhouse and surrounding land. It still has problems attracting helpers and supporters but so do many other Clubs in the League.

The important thing is that the Club has gone through this very difficult time and has just about come out of it intact. The aim has always been to stay in the Northern League as that is where this Club belongs.

I have no doubt that others will walk this path soon with perhaps less success than ourselves. I do not envy them. To the outsider our results look poor to say the least. But, from within the Club, this years results have been nothing short of outstanding.

Sorry for writing so much but hopefully it will explain a lot.


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 Post subject: Re: Just a nosey Parker
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:52 am 
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Bernard Gilpin wrote:
Sorry for writing so much but hopefully it will explain a lot.
No need apologise, B.G., thanks for the fascinating insight to your club.

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 Post subject: Re: Just a nosey Parker
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Wow talk about a roller coaster!!!

Answers lots of questions but poses even more!!!. Any way am sure that everyone is getting bored with this one. Thanks for the info Mr Gilpin much appreciated.

Think I will check out the next Brandon game in an attemt to satisfy my curiosity

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 Post subject: Re: Just a nosey Parker
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:33 pm 
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Shanks wrote:
Any way am sure that everyone is getting bored with this one.
I think I speak on behalf of the majority of Northern League supporters, who, in my opinion, have nothing but a certain affection for Brandon United and are as concerned as anyone else that the club might be lost to the league. Brandon is one of those clubs that most people would support if only they weren't already supporting their own team.

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 Post subject: Re: Just a nosey Parker
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:44 pm 
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el Queso i think your spot on, every body i speak to have a soft spot for brandon, i for one enjoy going to there games even tho i live outside the area, and the nearest N/L team for me is Spennymoor, but prefer going to the likes of Brandon, Esh, or crook,


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 Post subject: Re: Just a nosey Parker
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:50 pm 
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great reply bernard, im the same as keith,
a lot of people have a lot of time for you guys..
i certainly do, had some good days at brandon over the years.
does john dodds still get to watch you lot, or billy thompson?
great guys worked with them both at monos for years..
bit of a card that doddsy isnt he?

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 Post subject: Re: Just a nosey Parker
PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:37 pm 
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Bernard

What sort of volunteers are you looking for at Brandon?

May be able to help but not sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Just a nosey Parker
PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:05 pm 
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Do you have a few grand to spare???? :D


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 Post subject: Re: Just a nosey Parker
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KANYEKICWIBOTHFEET wrote:
What sort of volunteers are you looking for at Brandon?
I think the main criterion most clubs at this level hope for from committee members and associated volunteers is that they turn up when expected. Too many times, I have heard the comment that "the fella who should have been doing this or that has other things to do today". For committee, read commitment; for volunteer, read devotee. It is not always easy to sell a book of raffle tickets for an unattractive prize, yet the income from those ticket sales could spell the difference between survival and closure.
I recently attended a match where the club chairman was gatekeeper, programme seller, raffle ticket seller and water bottle carrier, as well as taking in the goal nets and corner flags at the end of the game. I won't divulge the the name of the club, as the man in question is a regular poster on NLZ and such disclosure might well embarrass him, even though I admire the work he does for his club.
In my times as a "committee person", I have done all the tasks mentioned above from time to time, as well as editing and printing programmes, writing out and exchanging team sheets, making the half time drinks for the players and officials, serving at the refreshments counter, organising the coaches for away matches, attending league meetings, even doing the laundry!
Ever wondered why committee members love it when their team plays away from home? It's probably the only time they get to watch 90 minutes of a football match!
Go for it, mate, it's great fun, really, and you will get your rewards in heaven. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Just a nosey Parker
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:32 am 
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You have been there and done it El Queso Grande haven't you!!!!!!!

Got it spot on. Although we only have a few, they all put in tremendous effort and we just get by. There is no "spare capacity" and when work or family commitments get in the way, which they often do, then a strain is put on those still available and "doubling up" occurs. That is when things go wrong and important things get missed.

Thank god for those lovely peaceful away games when all you have to do is turn up, fill in the team sheet and enjoy the hospitality of the opposition. You even get to watch a match although you sometimes you have to ask who is the number 6 for the away team as you may not have seen him before.

It is not all hard work but it is commitment. It is working together and communicating whether you are available or not. It is much easier knowing beforehand that you are short staffed than finding out when someone just does not turn up.

If Kanyekickwibothfeet is interested just come along and make yourself known to any of the few that are shouting for Brandon. If nothing else you'll get a free cup of tea or a pint in the clubhouse.

You may also help to transform the club - it will happen.


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 Post subject: Re: Just a nosey Parker
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:46 am 
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doddsy and billy? never mind.. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Just a nosey Parker
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:01 pm 
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Sorry Mighty Crook Town - got carried away with the possibility of help.

Dodsy and Billy Thompson are not now connected with the Football Club although both sometimes get in the Clubhouse.

Great lads both of them although Dodsy did manage to get the Club fined a couple of times because of his inability to get along with the ref. I can not recall him being at a match since he was asked to leave by the ref and Ken Carr got a black eye for helping to escort him from the ground. Pity it ended like that. Dodsy was very vocal and usually had had a pint or two.

Billy's son William was club used to be club mascot and played for the club when he was about 17.


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 Post subject: Re: Just a nosey Parker
PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:40 am 
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being a committee member of another NL club i know how hard it is to organise match days and even harder to raise money, its a shame that it seems that your location is probably the main reason for your struggles, although i beleive the main problem is awareness.
so many people in the vicinity of every NL club dont even know their club exists!!! so shamelessly advertising wherever and whenever is the key


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